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I was inspired for this list on Beasts of War, I liked the concept behind it and was wondering if you could help me fine tune it Brothers. I like the idea of having a Librarian attached to Mordrak so I can add his powers to the game and possible teleport the LRR for more strategic flexability, could one fit in this list?
As many of you know, I do not play 40K, I primarily collect the awesome models. As such I do not have the BBB or the GK codex. What I am trying to do is built a legal semi competative list so that I can direct my collection in a productive direction and not end up with a random pile of minis I know that some may just be thinking "buy the books" but I would rather spend the money on the minis first and possibly transition into playing afterwards.
Any help will be greatly appreciated
Mordrak
Ghost Knights x5 (3x Halberd, 2x Hammer)
GM
Cinie
Brain Mines
Psychotrpe Grenades
Halberd
5x Paladins
Halberd, MC Psycannon
Hammer, MC Psycannon
MC Halberd
Halberd
MC Hammer
LRR (For GM and Paladins)
GKSSx5
Rhino
GKSSx5
Rhino
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As far as legal goes, it is legal. Probably not very competitive because of the low number of models. Should look good on the tabletop though especially with your conversions and paintjob
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What about this for a more competative build, it has a Librarian which I like, AND some other cool/effective models:
Mordrak + 3 Ghost Knights w/Halberds
Librarian w/Homer, Rift, Shrouding, Sanctuary & Might
5 Termies 3 w/Halberds 1 w/Hammer 1w/Halberd Psycannon
Storm Raven w/TLLC & TLMM
10 Man Strike Squad Halberd 1x Hammer 2 x Psycannon Psybolt Ammo
10 Man Interceptor Squad 2 x Psycannon Psybolt ammo
Dreadnought w/ 2 x TLAC & Psybolt Ammo
Dread Knight w/Great Sword & Heavy Incinerator Personal Teleporter
Thoughts and constructive critisizm please.
Mordrak + 3 Ghost Knights w/Halberds
Librarian w/Homer, Rift, Shrouding, Sanctuary & Might
5 Termies 3 w/Halberds 1 w/Hammer 1w/Halberd Psycannon
Storm Raven w/TLLC & TLMM
10 Man Strike Squad Halberd 1x Hammer 2 x Psycannon Psybolt Ammo
10 Man Interceptor Squad 2 x Psycannon Psybolt ammo
Dreadnought w/ 2 x TLAC & Psybolt Ammo
Dread Knight w/Great Sword & Heavy Incinerator Personal Teleporter
Thoughts and constructive critisizm please.
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I like it much better. More bodies and more mobility w/ the Interceptors and the NDK.
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Would the above list be legal if I:
- Make the terminators paladins
- And give the strike squad a rhino?
- Make the terminators paladins
- And give the strike squad a rhino?
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No, you would lack 1 Troops unit. Right now, your GKT and Strike squad comprise your 2 compulsory Troops choices.
You can opt to break up your Strike squad into 2 5-man squads, thereby fulfilling your 2 Troops requirement.
You can opt to break up your Strike squad into 2 5-man squads, thereby fulfilling your 2 Troops requirement.
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I am thinking of swaping the SR out for a LR/LRR/LRC ..., and giving the strike squad a Rhino.
That way the whole army has good maneuverability. The advance is covered by the Dread, and I can present a lot of tough decisions for my opponant to choose from, as well as increasing my tactical options .
Thoughts Brother Rivan
That way the whole army has good maneuverability. The advance is covered by the Dread, and I can present a lot of tough decisions for my opponant to choose from, as well as increasing my tactical options .
Thoughts Brother Rivan
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I always preferred a LR type myself. For your list, I think LRR fits well. Libby + terms (or paladins if you switch them out) can ride together and advance w/ the NDK. The LRR gives you serious anti-horde capabilities as well.
Of course, the libby can attach to Mordrak too and boost that squad w/ his powers.
Overall, I think its a good list that can compete w/ most opponents.
Of course, the libby can attach to Mordrak too and boost that squad w/ his powers.
Overall, I think its a good list that can compete w/ most opponents.
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I've been thinking about this list and have decided to make some alterations....Let me know what you think:
Mordrak: 3 Ghost Knights w/swords
Librarian: Summoning, quicksilver, Might of titan. Sword
5x Paladins: 3 Halberds (1MC), 1 Hammer, 2 Halberd Psycannon (1MC)
5x GKSS: DH (MC), Psycannon, psybolt ammo
5x GKSS: DH (MC), Psycannon, psybolt ammo
5x Interceptor Squad: 3x Halberds, (MC) Hammer, Psycannon, Psybolt ammo
Dreadnought: 2x Twin-linked Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo
Nemesis Dreadknight: Personal Teleporter, Heavy Incinerator
I have no idea how many points this is (help!), but I think it is reasonably balanced.........Thoughts?
Mordrak: 3 Ghost Knights w/swords
Librarian: Summoning, quicksilver, Might of titan. Sword
5x Paladins: 3 Halberds (1MC), 1 Hammer, 2 Halberd Psycannon (1MC)
5x GKSS: DH (MC), Psycannon, psybolt ammo
5x GKSS: DH (MC), Psycannon, psybolt ammo
5x Interceptor Squad: 3x Halberds, (MC) Hammer, Psycannon, Psybolt ammo
Dreadnought: 2x Twin-linked Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo
Nemesis Dreadknight: Personal Teleporter, Heavy Incinerator
I have no idea how many points this is (help!), but I think it is reasonably balanced.........Thoughts?
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You're at about 1655 right now.
IMO, I see several challenges with this configuration:
- 2 5-man squads for Troops are no where near enough, forcing you to use GS to create more scoring units.
- Psybolts are too expensive for 5-man squads IMO (4pts/model)
- hammers are definitely useful but with such a small squad, you run the risk of losing your hammer before you get a chance to use it because of I1 in combat. Not too mention wound allocation in shooting if that squad receives 5 or more wounds.
- same reasoning goes for M-C weapons with small squads.
I would trim the excess points from the extra gear and beef up the squads a bit more. Maybe to at least 7 models each. Just my two cents
IMO, I see several challenges with this configuration:
- 2 5-man squads for Troops are no where near enough, forcing you to use GS to create more scoring units.
- Psybolts are too expensive for 5-man squads IMO (4pts/model)
- hammers are definitely useful but with such a small squad, you run the risk of losing your hammer before you get a chance to use it because of I1 in combat. Not too mention wound allocation in shooting if that squad receives 5 or more wounds.
- same reasoning goes for M-C weapons with small squads.
I would trim the excess points from the extra gear and beef up the squads a bit more. Maybe to at least 7 models each. Just my two cents
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Thank you Rivan, I really appreciate your help and suggestions.
I will take your advice into account.
If the squads were all increased to 10 man (excluding the Paladins)would that make this list more realistic?
I will take your advice into account.
If the squads were all increased to 10 man (excluding the Paladins)would that make this list more realistic?
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Definitely. Increasing the GKSS to 10 each and bumping the Interceptors up to 8 will put roughly at 2000pts.
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I´ve tried a Mordrak list for myself with great success. 1st turn deep striking without scatter. Need to say more?
That´s the list i´ve tried so far:
GM Mordrak
5 Ghost Knights
Librarian: Hammer, 4 halberts, Sanctuary and Might of Titan, Warprift (attached to one of the GKT squads)
10 Purifiers: 10 halberts, Psybolt ammo (sitting in the Stormraven)
Ven. Dread: TLAC, HF, Psybolt ammo, extra armour
5 GKT: Hammer, 4 halberts, Psycannon
5 GKT: Hammer, 4 halberts, Psycannon
Stormraven: MM, TLAC, extra armour
NDK: Greatsword, HI, PT
1998 Points.
Mordrak, the SR and the NDK will high the pressure from the first round on. while the Terminator squads and the Libbi will take care for mission objetcs.
That´s the list i´ve tried so far:
GM Mordrak
5 Ghost Knights
Librarian: Hammer, 4 halberts, Sanctuary and Might of Titan, Warprift (attached to one of the GKT squads)
10 Purifiers: 10 halberts, Psybolt ammo (sitting in the Stormraven)
Ven. Dread: TLAC, HF, Psybolt ammo, extra armour
5 GKT: Hammer, 4 halberts, Psycannon
5 GKT: Hammer, 4 halberts, Psycannon
Stormraven: MM, TLAC, extra armour
NDK: Greatsword, HI, PT
1998 Points.
Mordrak, the SR and the NDK will high the pressure from the first round on. while the Terminator squads and the Libbi will take care for mission objetcs.
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Dark Bjoern wrote:I´ve tried a Mordrak list for myself with great success. 1st turn deep striking without scatter. Need to say more?
That´s the list i´ve tried so far:
GM Mordrak
5 Ghost Knights
Librarian: Hammer, 4 halberts, Sanctuary and Might of Titan, Warprift (attached to one of the GKT squads)
10 Purifiers: 10 halberts, Psybolt ammo (sitting in the Stormraven)
Ven. Dread: TLAC, HF, Psybolt ammo, extra armour
5 GKT: Hammer, 4 halberts, Psycannon
5 GKT: Hammer, 4 halberts, Psycannon
Stormraven: MM, TLAC, extra armour
NDK: Greatsword, HI, PT
1998 Points.
Mordrak, the SR and the NDK will high the pressure from the first round on. while the Terminator squads and the Libbi will take care for mission objetcs.
This is a NICE list Brother!
I just have a few of questions for you........
1. Is the dread armed with an Assault Cannon, or Autocannon?
2. Do you attach the Dread to the Storm Raven?
3. How are the Ghost Knights equipped....Swords, Halberds, hammer?
4. Why an assault cannon instead of Las cannons on the Storm Raven?
5. Have you run a NDK with two fists instead of the Great Sword before? If so, how did they perform in relation to the sword?
Sorry for all of the questions, but I am a bid fan of this list and would like to know more about it
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i used a pretty similar list however with one strike squad instead of a terminator squad. with great succes also
@ brother constantine: i think the first question can be answered pretty easily. the dread can only carry twinlinked autocannons but not twinlinked assault cannons.
assault cannon for the stormraven i guess because the range pretty nicely works together with the multimelta. as such he wants to have the stormraven up in midrange and there the assault cannon is better at popping light and medium armored vehicles than the lascannon.
for the NDK, i can also say that the sword is better overall. while you miss the additional attack, the reroll is incredibly usefull. especially if you go and attack vehicles for instance. if that vehicle moved at combat or even cruising speed the sword wins hands down.
@ brother constantine: i think the first question can be answered pretty easily. the dread can only carry twinlinked autocannons but not twinlinked assault cannons.
assault cannon for the stormraven i guess because the range pretty nicely works together with the multimelta. as such he wants to have the stormraven up in midrange and there the assault cannon is better at popping light and medium armored vehicles than the lascannon.
for the NDK, i can also say that the sword is better overall. while you miss the additional attack, the reroll is incredibly usefull. especially if you go and attack vehicles for instance. if that vehicle moved at combat or even cruising speed the sword wins hands down.
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The mm/ assault cannon is a very popular choice for any ravens that will be fighting close in. There are many reasons for this. First is, if you are moving fast, your only firing one weapon. If your shooting at tanks its the mm, so your other option should have some anti troop capability. Next, the assault cannon is actually better than a lascannon versus vehicles available12 and higher. The real advantages to lascannons are range, so it would be a good choice on a sit in the back gunboat, but sub optimal on a vehicle that plans to be within 24.
I've run ndks with both. The sword is just better, but its extra points on an already expensive model that only has 4 wounds. I find he slowly grinds out combat wins without the sword, where as it usually ends a turn sooner with it. It's up to you if that delay is acceptable, or if you really need him to kill squads quick. Also the sword is significant better against moving vehicles
I've run ndks with both. The sword is just better, but its extra points on an already expensive model that only has 4 wounds. I find he slowly grinds out combat wins without the sword, where as it usually ends a turn sooner with it. It's up to you if that delay is acceptable, or if you really need him to kill squads quick. Also the sword is significant better against moving vehicles
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Souba wrote: @ brother constantine: i think the first question can be answered pretty easily. the dread can only carry twinlinked autocannons but not twinlinked assault cannons.
Would an assault cannon be a viable option?
Souba wrote: Assault cannon for the stormraven i guess because the range pretty nicely works together with the multimelta. as such he wants to have the stormraven up in midrange and there the assault cannon is better at popping light and medium armored vehicles than the lascannon.
MJSwasey wrote:The mm/ assault cannon is a very popular choice for any ravens that will be fighting close in. There are many reasons for this. First is, if you are moving fast, your only firing one weapon. If your shooting at tanks its the mm, so your other option should have some anti troop capability. Next, the assault cannon is actually better than a lascannon versus vehicles available12 and higher. The real advantages to lascannons are range, so it would be a good choice on a sit in the back gunboat, but sub optimal on a vehicle that plans to be within 24.
That makes a lot of sense. I have ALWAYS been a big fan of the Assault Cannon, and it sounds like a great pairing with the MM
MJSwasey wrote:for the NDK, i can also say that the sword is better overall. while you miss the additional attack, the reroll is incredibly usefull. especially if you go and attack vehicles for instance. if that vehicle moved at combat or even cruising speed the sword wins hands down.
Souba wrote: I've run ndks with both. The sword is just better, but its extra points on an already expensive model that only has 4 wounds. I find he slowly grinds out combat wins without the sword, where as it usually ends a turn sooner with it. It's up to you if that delay is acceptable, or if you really need him to kill squads quick. Also the sword is significant better against moving vehicles
I think that I would prefer to dispatch of my enemies as quickly as possible, so perhaps the sword is the best way to go for me.
Thank you for the clarification Brothers, and thank you again Brother Dark Bjoern for posting your list
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1) i was a bit confussed when i wrote this. I mean an Assault Cannon but was a thought ahead by the TLAC of the Stormraven. So my dread uses an Assault Cannon.Constantine wrote:
This is a NICE list Brother!
I just have a few of questions for you........
1. Is the dread armed with an Assault Cannon, or Autocannon?
2. Do you attach the Dread to the Storm Raven?
3. How are the Ghost Knights equipped....Swords, Halberds, hammer?
4. Why an assault cannon instead of Las cannons on the Storm Raven?
5. Have you run a NDK with two fists instead of the Great Sword before? If so, how did they perform in relation to the sword?
Sorry for all of the questions, but I am a bid fan of this list and would like to know more about it
2) Yes, the dread is attached to the SR.
3) I gave the Ghosts 1 Hammer and 4 Halberts
4) As Brother Souba and Brother MJSwasey said. The SR is fast and latest in 2nd turn in range for his MM to pop some tanks. And i prefer a MM over the LasCannon for tank hunting.
5) No, i never used the second fist or the Hammer. I see no benefits in doing so. One attack more, but no re-roll! Or S10 with the Hammer and also no re-roll! The NDK is a monstrous creature and gets 2D6 for the AP together with the re-roll of the Great Sword every tank is dead. And even mobbing up a squad the swoard is better then two fists cause of the re-roll. The chance to hit and wound is much better.
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Thank you for the clarification brother DB!
I am really liking this list. How do you think a land raider would work in Place of the Storm Raven?
I am really liking this list. How do you think a land raider would work in Place of the Storm Raven?
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No, i don´t think so. The idea behind this list is, to force your opponent to react on your moves, to disturbe his tactics, limiting his options and force him into the defense. Speed is the key of this list.
First round Mordrak and his Knights and in second turn they will get support from the SR.
Mordrak and the Ghosts alone are not a big deal, but with the SR and his passangers at his side it looks different.
Maybe you remember my BatRep four weeks ago? That´s exactly this tactic. The good thing is, that it doesn´t matter if you´re getting the first turn or not.
Of course you opponent will try to bring the SR down if he has the first turn, but even then he had to be very lucky.
The rest of my list will stay close together to support eachother and take mission object.
If it runs bad for Mordrak the NDK can activate his PT and rush to Mordrak´s side to support him too.
First round Mordrak and his Knights and in second turn they will get support from the SR.
Mordrak and the Ghosts alone are not a big deal, but with the SR and his passangers at his side it looks different.
Maybe you remember my BatRep four weeks ago? That´s exactly this tactic. The good thing is, that it doesn´t matter if you´re getting the first turn or not.
Of course you opponent will try to bring the SR down if he has the first turn, but even then he had to be very lucky.
The rest of my list will stay close together to support eachother and take mission object.
If it runs bad for Mordrak the NDK can activate his PT and rush to Mordrak´s side to support him too.
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I just read the batrep. Awesome job!
I llike that the pressure is removed from this list by not relying on getting the first turn, many GK SR strategies I have read state that getting the first turn is essential.
Do you think the Halberd is the best choice for the Libby, or would a sword be good for the higher save
I llike that the pressure is removed from this list by not relying on getting the first turn, many GK SR strategies I have read state that getting the first turn is essential.
Do you think the Halberd is the best choice for the Libby, or would a sword be good for the higher save
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If you kill it first you don´t need a higher save. There is not much, that have I6 or higher.
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Dark Bjoern wrote:If you kill it first you don´t need a higher save. There is not much, that have I6 or higher.
Kill first, ask questions later! I like it
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I just had an idea and was wondering what you think about it.
my idea is to create a pre-Mortain massacre Mordrak list
I was thinking something along the lines of:
GM (Mordrak): MC Daemon Hammer
Librarian: powers
5x GKT: 4 Halberd, 1 Hammer, 1 Psycannon
5x GKT: 4 Halberd, 1 Hammer, 1 Psycannon
Stormraven: MM, TLASSC, extra armour
Ven Dread: TLASSC, HF, Psybolt ammo
LR/LRC/LRR
NDK: Great Sword, Heavy Incinerator, Personal teleporter
OR
10x Interceptors: Psycannons and halberds
What do you see in regards to areas that need attention with this list?
I am thinking that GM Mordrak and his living bodyguard will ride in the LR (nor sure which variant yet...help please),
and that the Librarian and the other 5 GKTs will ride in the SR with the Dread, using the Libby's powers to increase survivability.
That leaves either my NDK or Interceptors (need help deciding please) to jump around either holding objectives (grand strategy), or providing support to the GKTs
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I know you are getting tired of my list questions brothers
But I have one more, it may even be the last
Do you think that Brother Dark Bjorn's list would work if 5 paladins were substituted for the 10 purifiers riding in the Stormraven I REALLY want to have an all tactical Dreadnaught army list. Please let me know what you think.
But I have one more, it may even be the last
Do you think that Brother Dark Bjorn's list would work if 5 paladins were substituted for the 10 purifiers riding in the Stormraven I REALLY want to have an all tactical Dreadnaught army list. Please let me know what you think.
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