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Post by dreadknightl on Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:09 am

HQ - Kaldor Draigo - 275
EL – 10 man purifier squad with 2x Psycannon- 260
TR – 5 man paladin squad with bro banner and 2x Incinerator– 310
TR – 10 man GKSS with 2x Psycannon - 220
TR – 10 man GKSS with 2x Psycannon- 220
FA – Storm Raven Gunship – 205
HS – Land Raider - 255
HS - Land Raider - 255

A total of 2000 points.


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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by Souba on Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:11 am

why draigo if you dont maximize paladins as troops? i guess you give the paladins a ride inside a landraider or the stormraven, right? i guess its better if you switch to a normal GM with rad&psychostroke grenades. they hit far harder this way. you can make the paladins scoring with the GM anyway

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by dreadknightl on Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:15 pm

i use draigo becaus I love the model and adds an incredible survivability factor to my pallies. I've tried using 20 paladins with draigo in a 2000 game but it just wont work. In kill points it pwns, but objective games I can dog uard the objective for a while, but my opponent just directs lascannons and railguns at me, instant killing my pallies

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by Zealadin on Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:25 pm

Pretty lacking in anti tank at that points level....

You also really want 10 pallies to make draigo/the banner worthwhile.

I just don't see many redeeming features in the list...
You have two LR's to drive into your opponents face, and only one genuine CC unit.
Your GKSS really don't fit even from a fire support perspective, and the SR leaves me scratching my head.... Equally the purifiers don't seem to be geared out for a specific role, you have no PsyBolts on any of the PAGK squads, and even if you drove this into your opponents face, destroying several vehicles and killing the units inside the next turn you'll almost certainly be wiped out.

Also you realistically need a librarian with paladins. Yes it makes them even more expensive, but realistically its a mandatory choice for pretty much any list built around any form of GKT.

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by dreadknightl on Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:53 am

For anti-tank i could put lascannons onto my SR
I suppose i could make both PAGK 5 man so i can put in a librarian

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by Zealadin on Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:08 pm

Its a really hard list to swap around for improvements...

I've tried to build something along the same lines that will be an improvement, but its really hard from a competitive perspective.

This is the list that Blackmoor used at NOVA, its not my cup of tea, but is a reasonable list:

Lord Kaldor Draigo

Librarian – Shrouding, Sanctuary, Might of Titan, Quicksilver, Warding staff

10 Paladins – Brotherhood banner, Psycannon x3, Master-crafted psycannon x1, Master-crafted Nemesis force sword x1, Halberd x3, Master-crafted halberd x1, Daemon hammer x2

6 Grey Knights (Strike Squad)

10 Grey Knights (Interceptor Squad) – Psycannon x2, Psybolt ammunition, Justicar w/ master-crafted Daemon hammer

Dreadnought – Autocannon x2, Psybolt ammunition

Dreadnought – Autocannon x2, Psybolt ammunition

Dreadnought – Autocannon x2, Psybolt ammunition

I would probably swap the PAGK for something else, but the list is pretty solid.
Note no LR's and or transports, Paladins are extremely expensive, so for this reason you normally avoid paying even more for vehicles. A Paladin should have a 3+ cover save with the Librarian, Draigo absorbs instant kill shots, and normal shots go on two wounds models.
This means instead of someone running melta into range and destroying your LR straight off the bat, two shots will probably equal one actual save to be taken, and Draigo can swallow that, or a 3+ cover save on the normal dudes.

Statistically the Psycannon is better than a lascannon at anti tank, but you rely on rend rolls.
Your Psyflemen dread kill light vehicles, and 3+ save suits.

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by dreadknightl on Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:10 pm

is it possible in a 2000 game to include Draigo, SR and 2 land raiders and still be tournament competetable?

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by dreadknightl on Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:38 pm

What about this?

HQ - Kaldor Draigo - 275
EL – 10 man purifier squad with 4x Psycannon- 300
TR – 5 man paladin squad with bro banner and 2x Incinerator– 310
TR – 10 man GKSS with daemon hammer- 210
TR – 10 man GKSS with daemon hammer- 210
FA – Storm Raven Gunship – 205
HS – Land Raider - 255
HS - Land Raider - 255

OR

HQ - Kaldor Draigo - 275
HQ - Librarian with shrouding - 155
TR – 7 man paladin squad with bro banner and 2x Incinerator– 420
TR – 10 man GKSS with 2 psycannons - 220
TR – 10 man GKSS - 200
FA – Storm Raven Gunship – 205
HS – Land Raider Crusader with multi-melta- 255
HS - Land Raider - 255

5 points to spare




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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by Zealadin on Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:11 am

I would add a MM to all land raiders as its only 10 points, especially normal LR's.

You can include those in your army, but its not going to be easy.
I don't really think the PAGK fit this kind of list at all however.

Better to take 15 Paladins, 5 in each unit, special characters with two units, the LRs get the Lib in one unit so they get their smoke launchers + shrouding T1.

The LRR doesn't fit at all, you need the LR's for lascannons at the very least.
It would be nice to see the MM, Lascans, and Typhoon missile launcher on the SR but depends on the points available.

You also would want sanctuary, warprift on the Lib.

HQ - Kaldor Draigo - 275
HQ - Librarian with shrouding, sanct, MoT, Warprift - 170
TR – 5 man paladin squad 2x Incinerator– 295
TR – 5 man paladin squad 2x PsyC– 315
TR – 5 man paladin squad 2x PsyC– 315
FA – Storm Raven Gunship – 205
HS – LR + MM 265
HS - LR + MM - 265

The problem is that this is 2105 points.
If I was playing this list, I would swap the SR, and one squad of Paladins, for a 10 strong GKT unit, with a banner.

HQ - Kaldor Draigo - 275
HQ - Librarian with shrouding, sanct, MoT, Warprift - 170
TR – 5 man paladin squad 2x Incinerator– 295
TR – 5 man paladin squad 2x PsyC– 315
TR –5 GKT (1 Hammer, 4 Halb) (200)
SR - 205
HS – LR + MM 265
HS - LR + MM 265

10 points to spare. You can also swap the GKT for a standard PAGK squad if you desire. Psybolt ammo may be ideal, swapping the MM off one LR for the points. (If you go the PAGK)

Or run the first list, with two squads of Paladins, no GKSS, and use the Puries as fire support. Troop light however Sad

Its by no means a super competitive list, but its workable.




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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by dreadknightl on Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:28 am

Ok. wat if i change the first list like this?

HQ - grand master with cinnie - 180
EL – 10 man purifier squad with 4x Psycannon- 300
TR – 5 man paladin squad with bro banner and 2x Incinerator– 310
TR – 10 man GKSS with daemon hammer - 210
TR – 10 man GKSS with daemon hammer - 210
FA – Storm Raven Gunship – 205
HS – Land Raider - 255
HS - Land Raider - 255

95 points to tweak around


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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by dreadknightl on Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:43 pm

Nobody? Crying or Very sad

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by Zealadin on Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:51 pm

Look, that is obviously the list you want to use....
Its not going to be super competitive, but you'll just need to play to see what works and what doesn't.
Once you have a few games under your belt you'll probably find it easier to make changes based on your own experience instead of relying on others, which you are obviously struggling with.

Your best bet is just making sure you magnetise your vehicles so you can swap the weapons around, and building your PAGK and GKT so they can fill whichever role you need them in, ie magnetise the backpacks on the PAGK so they can be Interceptors or GKSS. GKT and Paladins are also an easy swap.

If you want something really competitive have a look at peoples tournament lists which have done well.

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by DonFer on Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:15 am

Loose the banner, use the points to add another Strike Squad.

I suggest to play your list a few times and see if it goes well, I cannot say if it's going to be competitive or not. It'll all depend on your local environment and your style of play. Who knows, perhaps you can do wonders with that list.

If that doesn't work, then you've already got some good advice and could start form scratch again.

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Re: 2000 tournament list

Post by dreadknightl on Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:04 am

Ok, I;ll give it a try

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