GK Rumors

my shop sold out of DH and WH stuff too and as far as i now there are only 3 people who play these armies at my local

Well, I'm curious to see how many GK/DH players there'll be at the GT I'm attending in September.

My guess is you'll be one of a kind Brother Rivan.

Yes he will but once the new dex is out there will be a few more. But from some of the rumours that seem to pop up for a 1500 pt game (torney size) you get 20 - 30 minis which could make them very popular or people can't get the hang of power playing with so few minis on the board they leave them so ........

Actually, it'll be sad if a lot of GK armies should magically pop up. There's a certain sense of satisfaction I have being one of the few DH (and only pure GK) player around here. I guess that'll be the price to pay for a competitive dex.

NemesisForce wrote:Actually, it'll be sad if a lot of GK armies should magically pop up. There's a certain sense of satisfaction I have being one of the few DH (and only pure GK) player around here. I guess that'll be the price to pay for a competitive dex.

My thoughts exactly

Also one of the reasons I'm hanging on to my original models...it easily identifies me as an ORIGINAL GK player before everybody else jumped on the bandwagon

it's like everything else... it'll be a mode and when the dust will fall, will only remain the true players of GK (like SW, BA and so on)
we have to stand strong just as we stand now and we'll pass the mode rush... with new toys !!
Aubec

That could be true Aubec. Of 28 players in a local tournie only 1 fielded BA and no SW's showed at all. And yes Rivan, that is a most excellent reason for sticking with the metal GK's. Good one.

Ok, latest and greatest from my contact (who will remain anonymous but I think is very reliable):
-New GK release will be 1st quarter 2011
-WH and DH combined into 1 codex (no mention of deathwatch)
-plastic stormraven gunship coming out at the same time

Hmmm...did I miss something? You had a contact Rivan? DH/WH in one dex? That's something I thought Jervis himself de-bunked.

Its an insider contact so I "think" he's reliable. I was surprised about the merger too but that's what he told me today.

And, BTW, just trying to fish some more info, I called GW HQ and asked about the rumors about new GKs and the guy just told me one word: "soon".

Brother Rivan's Contact sounds pretty much on the money with what GW has done in the past. Jan/ Quarter One are historically the worst times of the year for any retailer. Releasing not only another Imperial book, but the much anticipated Storm Raven model will reverse this downward trend for the company in the early year.

informations / desinformation
it's hard to find one's way in that labyrinth ... but it had always been GW policy anyway
Aubec

All of this uncertainty and rumouring makes me think that the Lord of Change is messing with us!

It really is a hard call to make in regards to what will and won't be released for the GKs this time around.

Usually there isn't a complete overhaul of an army, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some of our units that stay the same...namely PAGKs, or GKTs would be my guess.

Whatever happens will more than likely be good for us, so I guess we need to keep on doing what we do best.............and wait

BC

That is true Brother C. I'm thinking it will be more in the lines of additional options or available units, like the Stormraven.

I was re-reading the BA codex and I didn't even notice the first time I perused it that the GK's were already mentioned as reputedly using the Stormraven: "Nonetheless, some records suggest that the Stormraven was in existence even before then, most notably active in the service of the Grey Knight, the secretive Daemon-hunters of Titan".

Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters together in one codex makes me sad. While never a huge fan of SoB I always thought they deserved their own codex. If they are in the same codex I hope there's some sort of limits on mixing squads in an army since that would be awful. Maybe force you to choose either GK or SoB as main army and take one or two squads of the other as backup.

Having both in the same dex makes no sense whatsoever. Especially if you can't use both SOB and GK in the same force without having to resort to allying and all the restrictions that come with it. The only plausible way in my mind is a double-size dex that has a decent-size section for GK, SOB and one for Inquisition units that both can draw from. Fluff-wise it doesn't make sense either. The Order Malleus and Ecclesiarchy are way too totally different entities. The way GW is gearing though towards nice, neat and self-contained armies I just can't see a mixed dex.

thats true since they released the new space marine codex, space wolfs and blood angels with there own codex it doesnt make sense that they would but INQ, GK and SOB together in one big codex

I hear ya Brothers. I for one was really hoping for a dedicated DH codex

The way my contact said it, there was no doubt at all regarding a WH/DH codex. So here's hoping he is wrong somehow...

Well the combination of the DH and WH books is a clever move on Games Workshop's behalf, as it solves several key issues facing both the two books, but also problems that the company seems to suffer from.
By combining the two books:
1) There will be one less codex that the company needs to update/ forget for years on end depending your view on such things. Taking on codex out of circulation, without actually striking the army out of existance within the bowels of a Hive fleet will allow the company to update all of their books faster (in theory), and will help to get the fabled 6th edition of Warhammer 40k out there even faster.
2) Combinding the two codexes fixes some of the key issues that the DH and WH armies currently have. The WH gain access to hard troops capable of keeping objectives/ close combat units (GKs). On the other hand the DH gain anti-tank melta power, as well as a plethora of tanks with even more melta and flamer options.

It'll be interesting to see if they do indeed combine the books, but if they do- I have enough faith in the company/ the game designers that it'll work, and the game will still be fun. I'm just a fanboy like that/ eagerly looking forward to the new book & the fabled storm raven.

As you gain more information Brother Rivan, please share- it's interesting that even with all of the Dark Eldar rumors, there are still presistant Grey Knight er...Inquisition rumors....hm....most interesting.

-Cease

Maybe its essentially an ordo codex the equiv of the generic SM codex. So all inquisition specific and related stuff in 1 book.

Well one other thing that can help to point towards the concept of a combined codex is that within the 4th Edition rule book (the last time the DH/WH made it into the main rule book...), it shows the two armies combined under the title "Armies of the Imperium".

In the past the pictures/ set ups located within the main rule books usually herald future changes/ new models. As can be seen in the current 5th edition book.

I'm sure that GW will do a fine job, regardless of the format- but that's my overly optimistic nature I suppose.
-Cease

Driz1 wrote:Maybe its essentially an ordo codex the equiv of the generic SM codex. So all inquisition specific and related stuff in 1 book.

The problem with that is all the C:SM chapters are essentially the same with special characters changing the, slightly. DH/WH are fairly different when you look at SoB v GK. Putting them into one codex would be more akin to mixing Blood Angels and Space Wolves rather than vanilla marine chapters.

Personally I'm kinda worried by some of the rumours out there. Rerolling armour/invul saves, str 6 rending weapons etc all smell wildly of cheese. For once I wish GW would put out a fairly well balanced book that doesn't result in everyone bitching about it

Ah, yes. But it will be our cheese though. That's the difference. I think though we'll just be mild cheese because unlike BA, SW, etc. our points per model will still probably be high.

I can't see WH being included in a DH or GK codex, not without them being totally seperate, un-mixable armies.
They are too hard to balance sharing units, and from past comments every reliable source has said that there will not be a combined codex.