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Post by Aeddon on Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:58 pm

I can't remember where I read this in the forums before but someone was saying that they gave their Justicar Terminator Armour. Well I was rereading the rules and in the armoury on page 16 it says that only Inquisitors and Inquisitor Lords may take Terminator armour, not Justicars.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by NemesisForce on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:35 am

If someone gave their Justicar Termie armor it was illegal. The foonote clearly states for Inquisitor characters only.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Zealadin on Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:50 pm

There is another armour upgrade that gives a 2+ save, but doesn't add the bonus attack or other termie armour advantages....
artificer or something that like. at tafe, with no rule book atm

Its exp though, but definately would have its uses.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Constantine on Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:04 am

Justicars can not take terminator armour Sad It is unfortunate but true.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Klomster on Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:42 am

But if you give your justicar artificer armour and refractor field they will be as hard as terminators!

Sure they will cost 30 more points but it's worth it.......

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Coyote on Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:55 pm

As an added bonus, giving your justicar artificer armor should allow him to take anything from the armory not just wargear.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Klomster on Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:05 am

Why would you wan't something else than a nemesis force weapon?

It's the best weapon there is!

+2 s power weapon. Hard to beat!

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Coyote on Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:13 am

I agree 110% Klomster, however if someone were to replace his storm bolter with a plasma pistol, the justicar would gain an extra attack with said power weapon on the charge with the added kick of a plasma pistol shot in the precharge....mmmmm meq death

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Klomster on Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:28 am

But the plasma pistol is a lesser weapon than those used by our holy ordo!

But i understand your problem.

Or.... i don't, you see true grit gives the pagk an extra attack, all the time.

Regardless if beeing charged or charging, so by giving him a plasma pistol we lose an attack!
Or am i wrong?

I can understand that having powerfists and lightning claws and combibolters might be very disirable for some, but it is a big part of our fluff.

You never know, normal marines might get yealous of their seargeant brethren becouse they have so much more equipment than they do!

Every grey knight go to battle with the same kind of weaponry, a nemesis force weapon and a storm bolter, some are blessed with the holy support weapons becouse they have shown skill in theese areas!

That way, no one is getting special gear or so that it might get unfair to the others.
And terminator armour is of course better than power armour but there is traditions and supply issues that only grants the elite theese armours.

In my opinion all grey knigts should have artificer armour, its the least it can be if you look at it!

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by For the Emperor on Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:22 am

Klomster wrote:But the plasma pistol is a lesser weapon than those used by our holy ordo!

But i understand your problem.

Or.... i don't, you see true grit gives the pagk an extra attack, all the time.

Regardless if beeing charged or charging, so by giving him a plasma pistol we lose an attack!
Or am i wrong?

I can understand that having powerfists and lightning claws and combibolters might be very disirable for some, but it is a big part of our fluff.

You never know, normal marines might get yealous of their seargeant brethren becouse they have so much more equipment than they do!

Every grey knight go to battle with the same kind of weaponry, a nemesis force weapon and a storm bolter, some are blessed with the holy support weapons becouse they have shown skill in theese areas!

That way, no one is getting special gear or so that it might get unfair to the others.
And terminator armour is of course better than power armour but there is traditions and supply issues that only grants the elite theese armours.

In my opinion all grey knigts should have artificer armour, its the least it can be if you look at it!
The difference of having a Plasma Pistol, means he will just get 1 more attack when charging, thats the only difference I believe.
Shrouding obviously needs a buff/replaced when the new codex comes out.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Brother Ezekiel on Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:12 pm

Klomster wrote:You never know, normal marines might get yealous of their seargeant brethren becouse they have so much more equipment than they do!

That would be stupid trait to leave in a Space Marine so I think the Apocatherium have allready inveted some kind of orgain/other thing that forbids that so it would not be of any difference if he would have more equipment than others.And it is far more likely to happen to Imperial Guardsmen but you don't see them shooting at theyr own sargents, now do you?
And besides who would be stupid enought to kill a guy who might just save your ass in the battlefield?

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Coyote on Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:31 pm

I do agree it's a very unfluffy upgrade or downgrade as the gk's might see it, but having a sergeant with a 2+ save and 4 power weapon attacks when charging isn't too shabby. If I actually did this it would probly be in a LRC mounted squad and I'd probly just give him a bolt pistol because it's already an expensive upgrade.

Alternatively, I guess you could use the artificer armor work around to add another special weapon to a purgation squad. Yeah you lose the power weapon attacks, but the added special weapon might be more of an asset to such a squad.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Klomster on Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:52 am

I didn't say the marines would go around and kill eachother, but it is a thought that is a weakness.

Anyway, i'm not so sure if the justicar gets that extra attack, he has the old true grit rule, which made the bolter (or in this case stormbolter) the same as a ccw that doesn't give bonus on the charge.

Either that means that the justicar actually have 4 attacks each all the time (3 from profile, 1 from true grit) or that i'm wrong.

But if i'm right a plasma pistol would be nice becouse it would give 5 attacks on the charge if i'm right.
But i'm probably wrong, so don't get your hopes up unless it's confirmed with raw rules.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Coyote on Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:04 pm

True grit allows him to gain an extra attack with the storm bolter as though it were a pistol, but the downside is that he doesn't get a charging bonus.

Taking away the storm bolter and giving him an actual pistol gives him the extra attack that he would have plus the bonus attack for charging.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Klomster on Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:41 pm

Mmmm, but then, who would really want a plasma pistol, it's just dangerous and not as cool as a stormbolter!

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Coyote on Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:44 pm

True...

Justicar+Artificer Armor+Plasma Pistol=Too many points on a Justicar.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by For the Emperor on Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:14 pm

Incinerator, combi-flamer, combi-meltagun, Pyscannon are all good choices alongside the artificer armor.
It's definately opened up possibilities, hekk for 40pts I would upgrade my Justicar instead of paying 35pts for something less good. (incinerator)

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Zealadin on Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:59 pm

The problem is your never regaining the cost of that NFM -PW

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Snow on Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:32 pm

for the emperor wrote:Incinerator, combi-flamer, combi-meltagun, Pyscannon are all good choices alongside the artificer armor.
It's definately opened up possibilities, hekk for 40pts I would upgrade my Justicar instead of paying 35pts for something less good. (incinerator)
The problem is if you upgrade 3 Justicars, that's an extra GK squad right there.

It's tempting, VERY tempting, and perhaps worth it in less-than-1k games, but anything with more than 2 troop choices causes it to cripple your force.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Coyote on Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:08 am

That's a good point snow it could be quite a point sink if a player went all out upgrading all of his/her justicars, but it might not be a bad spot to fill in extra points in a sit back and shoot PAGK squad or too add some extra kick to the PAGK squad you know is going to be in CC.

I've never read about anybody using them, but it would be a great way to get a 5th psycannon in a purgation squad. Of course making it way more expensive than it already is.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Zealadin on Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:31 pm

*Shudders at the thought of a Purg Squad being more expensive than its normal horrible cost*

Yea not many people upgrade the justicars due to the insane cost of the model to start with, maybe next codex we will see its cost come into line with its equipment so upgrades are more viable.

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Snow on Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:01 am

The only time I'd do it is if I had the extra 90 or so points with nothing else to spend it on. I'd kit two Justicars out with Psycannons.

I don't know if it'd be worth it though. I'll have to try it.

The problem with this of course is that though by RAW we might be allowed to do it, with tournies it might be hit and miss whether they count "artificer armour" as "power armour".

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Zealadin on Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:55 am

Theres definately no rule against the Justicar having artificer armour, I've talked to the local GWS guys both at Chatswood and the City and they all agree that it can be taken as an upgrade totally legally, unlike the termi armour (unfortunately).

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Constantine on Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:07 am

Zealadin wrote:Theres definately no rule against the Justicar having artificer armour, I've talked to the local GWS guys both at Chatswood and the City and they all agree that it can be taken as an upgrade totally legally, unlike the termi armour (unfortunately).

Seems like a viable option to me!!! Very Happy

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Re: No Terminator Armour for Justicars

Post by Spartan on Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:56 am

Yeah nothing in the rule about no artifer armour 2+ AS then give them incon of the just 4+ inv save gonna cost you but you got a model better than a term.

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