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Post by lightningblade270 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:52 pm

I have a list at 1850 that I am trying to bring up to 2000, what should I add?

HQ
GKGM - Psycannon, Servo skull, psychostroke, rad, blind grenades, brain mines
Coteaz

Troops
GKT (10) - Psycannonx2, DHx2, warding stave on justicar, Halberdx4, Psybolt ammo
Henchmen Warband
-Servitor(4) - All plasma cannons
-Crusader(2)
-Warrior acolytes (4) - All storm bolters

Fast Attack
GKIS- psycannonx2, Psybolt ammo
SR - TL MM, searchlight

Heavy Support
Dreadnought - TLAC x 2, psybolt ammo
Dreadknight - pt, heavy incinerator

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by DOMIN4TRIX on Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:41 pm

Take another Dreadnought - easy; though you really could do with more scoring units. Including the Interceptors you have 30 scoring infantry - you want that closer to 40, especially if one of the units is a squishy warband.

Your GM costs about the same as Draigo - too much for a non eternal warrior IMO.

Psyammo and warding staves are sucking up more points that could be used on bodies

Only 3 of the servitors can have plasma cannons and a chimera for them would help. Even if Cortaez and his retinue dont use it the terminators could and it has 2 extra ranged weapons

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by lightningblade270 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:09 am

Thanks Smile
I'm not sure about the chimera though, just because it can only take six terminators and I have no use for it with the henchmen besides cover.

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by lightningblade270 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:53 am

How about this list? I got rid of coteaz/henchmen to give some room for adjustment.

HQ - GM, Psycannon, blind, rad, psychostroke grenades
HQ - OMI, Terminator, Psyker, Psycannon
TR - GKSS(10), Psycannonx2, DH x 1, psybolt ammo
TR - GKT (10) Psycannonx2, DHx2, warding stave on justicar, Halberdx4, Psybolt ammo
FA - GKIS (10) Incinerator x2, psybolt ammo
FA - SR, TLMM
HS - Psyfleman Dread
HS - NDK, Heavy incinerator, PT
2000

The body count is still low, but it makes more sense. SR guards from above/attacks fliers, NDK/IS are on the front line, OMI, Dread, and strike squad fire/ push forwards and land on objectives in the back utilizing OMI's psychic power to boost shooting, and GM + T (DSing in) take out enemies in the middle.
Is this better or worse?

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by volvoe on Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:19 pm

That actually seems like a really good list. If you roll well enough on grand strategy you could basically get the IS, Dread, or NDK as troops. Your list has a lot of dakka dakka and will do pretty well in CC. Overall I think it is a very balanced list. Very Happy Me gusta. However, I feel like its overall short-mid range shooting with only you're psyfleman dread and SR to take out long range/high armor targets. Its more than likely you're going to go against a land raider or AV14 in 2000 points and it might be hard to take out.

Also, if there is ever a chance you need to capture 6 objectives you could make your troops into combat squads for more scoring. The list has a lot of versatility in terms of reserve. Almost anything can deepstrike!

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by first strike on Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:14 pm

You have taken the list in a direction that I would had gone.
I have never had any touble with a land raider, 2 could be, but that is alot of points, psy cannons or dreadknights will deal with them, and as for takeing 6 objectives well this is not an issue, you only have to take one more then your opp, so just take out their troops, and you have the firepower to do this.
A better list.
I would look to have the g k strike squad doing the deep striking (if you think you need it) and keep the termiators on the board, they will lose no firepower from moving and they will survive better.
I would also keep coteaz, first turn control is important and he is a level 2 psyker.

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by lightningblade270 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:20 am

So you think I should switch the OMI for Coteaz?

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by first strike on Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:51 pm

Lets look at what you are geting for the same point
Coteaz: an independent chatacter which gives you a better chance of controling first turn, can shoot all units that arrives form reserves within 12" of him, he has D6 st 4 ap- shots per turn or a bolter, he is a 2nd level psyker, 2+ armour save and a deamon hammer (s6 ap2)
OMI: an independent chatacter, he has 4 s7 rending shots , he is a 1st level psyker, 2+/5++ armour save and a force sword and can deep strike.
The only thing that the OMI is bringing to the table is a psycannon and an invo save which you already have a 2+ look out sir and the ability to deep strike.
Coteaz brings first turn control, 12" reserves controll, good low st firepower and a 2nd spell.
Your choice but I know which way I would go.
People where I play complain about Coteaz all the time, they never complain about an OMI in terminator armour, this is the main test that I use for what I put in my army, if they are complaining then I am doing something right.

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by Corennus on Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 am

one piece of advice a good friend of mine gave me:

Always take things in pairs.

in that last list you created you have a single dreadnought and single dreadknight.
Basically you have two different units doing vastly different roles and they are very easy to single out and take out (plasma guns are nasty!).
Now, if you drop a dread and take 2 dreadknights (if you can move points) you can have 2 nasty monstrous creatures. Or if you opt to take psynaughts you can have 2 tough long range fire support units...

And opponent has to work twice as hard to take out your units cause if he takes one out the other one is still shooting at him

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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by first strike on Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:58 pm

Pairs are good but it is all about redundancy, it is not important to have 2 of the same thing but 2 things that can do the same job, so you ask yourself what do you have to handle flyers, make sure that you have more then one units for the job and then look for the next thing.
In this list the dreadknight, interceptor squad and the storm raven are filling the same role.
Yes I do agree that dreadknights work well in 2's but you would have to drop the stormraven or the interceptors.


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Re: 2K List building help needed

Post by Akoni on Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:21 pm

first strike wrote: if they are complaining then I am doing something right.
cheers

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