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1500pts developing Army

Post by shadow on Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:17 pm

Hi Brother,

Decided to fully concentrate on my Grey Knights for tournament play, so going to hopefully do a bit of play testing and develop my list from that.

Played this tonight:

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with 3x servo skulls, Psyker, Terminator Armour, Nemesis Daemonhammer, Psycannon
Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with Psyker, Terminator Armour, Nemesis Daemonhammer, Psycannon

10x Grey Knight Strike Squad with 2x Psycannon, 7x Nemesis Force Halberd, 1x Daemonhammer
10x Grey Knight Terminator Squad with Brotherhood Banner, 2x Nemesis Force Daemonhammer, 7x Nemesis Force Halberd, Psybolt Ammunition, 2x Psycannon

Nemesis Dreadknight with Heavy Incinerator , Nemesis Doomfist and Greatsword, Personal Teleporter
Nemesis Dreadknight with Heavy Incinerator , Nemesis Doomfist and Greatsword, Personal Teleporter

AGAINST

Dark Eldar with a lot of splinter cannons, 2x ravagers and 2 Razorwing with missiles.

Well I feel like a noob, he seized the initiative and shot my 2 NDK down, I quickly found that because I only had 24" shots, he just "Kited" ( stayed at 30"+) for 4 turns and I ended up with no models on the board Sad . Yeah I need long range shooting Rolling Eyes .

so for our rematch, I plan to maybe try this:

Coteaz

10x Strike squad with 2x Psycannon, Psybolt ammo, 1x Daemonhammer, 4x Halberd, 3x Sword
5x Terminators with 1x Psycannon, 1x Daemonhammer, 4x Halberd
5x Terminators with 1x Psycannon, 1x Daemonhammer, 4x Halberd

Stormraven with Multi-melta, assault cannon
Stormraven with Multi-melta, assault cannon

Dreadnought with 2x autocannon, psybolt ammo
Dreadnought with 2x autocannon, psybolt ammo

So I'll put the terminators in the storm raven and the strike squad+Coteaz+PsyDreads will hold the backfield.

Any thoughts?

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by DOMIN4TRIX on Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:39 pm

I\'ve found Terminators and Palladins are a bad match-up against DE.

Ravens are a good option as his lance weapons get no benefit against armour 12. Psydreads are always invaluable, and incinerators will instakill their troops (put them on Interceptors to get in range). To deal with his range and skimmers you might use Psybacks.

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by Newtpow on Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:33 am

How you get 8 unsaved wounds on your DKs in turn 1 ? Rolling Eyes

no cover or LOS blocking terrain?

If u place everything spread out and walk through midfield. he only can avoid your shots 2 turns max.
Although what Dominatrix said. Think you re good with the second list. I ld try and swap the Terminators for SS.

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by shadow on Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:13 am

I know 8 unsaved wounds! Abismal isn't it?
Well what happened is I was supposed to get 1st turn so as an idiot, I was thinking shunt the NDK up and take something out but he rolled a 6 and seized the initiative.
Then the 3x raider splinter cannons+3x splinter cannons inside raiders+1x ravager with 2 splinter cannons and 1 desintegrator cannon+3x venom with 2 splinter cannons each, all shot at the 2 NDK Sad
That's 84 shots hitting on 3s wounding on 4s plus the AP 2 thing, add to that my ability to roll 1s and they died..... Sad

Happy with dropping the Termies, but I have to keep in mind that I wont just be playing DE.
Having second thoughts on the Stormravens as they are Flyers and so start in reserve Crying or Very sad
Defo keeping the Psydreads though, Psybacks are a good idea would they not be a bit too easy to kill for "First Blood" though?

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by shadow on Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:54 pm

Right, 1st game booked for monday, gonna try this:

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with Power Armour, Nemesis Daemonhammer

Venerable Dreadnought with 2x Twin-linked Autocannon, Psybolt ammo
Venerable Dreadnought with 2x Twin-linked Autocannon, Psybolt ammo

5x Grey Knight Strike Squad with 1x Psycannon, 1x Nemesis Force Sword, 2x Nemesis Force Halberd, 1x Daemonhammer
Razorback, Psybolt ammo, Twin-linked heavy bolter

5x Grey Knight Strike Squad with 1x Psycannon, 1x Nemesis Force Sword, 2x Nemesis Force Halberd, 1x Daemonhammer
Razorback, Psybolt ammo, Twin-linked heavy bolter

5x Grey Knight Strike Squad with 1x Psycannon, 1x Nemesis Force Sword, 2x Nemesis Force Halberd, 1x Daemonhammer
Razorback, Psybolt ammo, Twin-linked heavy bolter

Nemesis Dreadknight with Heavy Incinerator , Nemesis Doomfist and Greatsword, Personal Teleporter
Nemesis Dreadknight with Heavy Incinerator , Nemesis Doomfist and Greatsword, Personal Teleporter

Now not your usual list but not giving up on the NDKs just yet.

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by volvoe on Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:37 pm

As much as I like your list, I feel that venerable Dreads are just not worth it any more due to the fact that they have hull points Crying or Very sad

You're putting in 60 extra points per ven dread (120 total!).

Another thing to consider is that the Great Sword's effectiveness is debatable. Having two nemesis doom fists is just as good and cheaper too!

Instead of running 2 Venerable Dreads, why not run 1 regular psyfleman and a Vindicare Assassin? Or even two Vindicares? lol!

Another thing I always felt is that 10 Man SS with Psy Ammunition in a Rhino might be better than a Razor back. There would be more storm bolters benefiting from the upgrade, and since you can only have a maximum of 2 Psycannons they could shoot out of the fire points. Against DE its more than likely they're going to pop your vehicles turn 1. But then again Your DK's are quite distracting.

Try out the list the way you have it, and if it works great!

Make sure to post a battle report. Best of luck.

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by Newtpow on Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:48 am

As volvoe said, except u cant use 2 vindicares Razz

U save 60 points on venerable, 50 if u swap 1 ven with an vindicare. ~70 points if u lose the swords, 60 if u lose the psyammo (psyammo is good but as volvoe said, build 10 man squads).

That gives u 240 points Shocked . We re an elite army but we also need numbers. That is a whole squad of smthg else. Rebuild your SS or add an Terminatorsquad... so many points Very Happy

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by flaxis on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:15 am

Brothers,

I think you will find that the psybolt ammo is for the razorbacks to make the TLHB str 6 for 5pts a tank. No ammo on the squads.

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by Newtpow on Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:36 am

Right, my apologies Razz

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by shadow on Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:14 am

Thanks Brothers,

I see what u mean by the ven dreads, would 1 normal one and a vindicare be enough as a replacement thought? I do apologise for the confusion, I should of made it clearer that the Psybolt ammo is indeed on the Razorbacks and not on the squads, my bad...

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by shadow on Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:34 am

New list that I played last night, work rather well:

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Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with 2x servo skulls, Psyker, Terminator Armour, Nemesis Daemonhammer, Psycannon

5x Paladins with 4 halberds, 1x Hammer, 2x Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo.

5x Purifier with 2x Psycannons, 1x Hammer, 2x Haleberd
Razorback with Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Psybolt Ammo, Searchlight

5x Purifier with 2x Psycannons, 1x Hammer, 2x Haleberd
Razorback with Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Psybolt Ammo, Searchlight

6x Purifier with 2x Psycannons, 1x Hammer, 2x Haleberd
Razorback with Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Psybolt Ammo, Searchlight

Dreadnought with 2x Twin-linked Autocannon, Psybolt Ammo, Searchlight
Dreadnought with 2x Twin-linked Autocannon, Psybolt Ammo, Searchlight

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Re: 1500pts developing Army

Post by appleunit on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:22 am

Newtpow wrote:As volvoe said, except u cant use 2 vindicares Razz

U save 60 points on venerable, 50 if u swap 1 ven with an vindicare. ~70 points if u lose the swords, 60 if u lose the psyammo (psyammo is good but as volvoe said, build 10 man squads).

That gives u 240 points Shocked . We re an elite army but we also need numbers. That is a whole squad of smthg else. Rebuild your SS or add an Terminatorsquad... so many points Very Happy


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