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Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by cyrix03 on Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:54 am

Hail Brothers. I have been reading around the forums for tips and strategies as I have started playing at a local shop in the last month. As I have been slaughtered a few weeks in a row, learning the rules and the meta, I thought I would try and get some professional opinions to return the abuse to my locals. Obviously this is all in fun, the local store is really nice and even while loosing I learn a lot from the players. Thanks for taking a look and advise is greatly appreciated.

HQ - Ordo Malleus Inquisitor 61pts
Carapace Armor, Hellrifle, Power Sword, 1x Servo Skull
Elite - Purifier 190pts
x2 Cannon, x2 Halberd, 1x Hammer, Rhino w/ Search Light
Elite - Purifier 190pts
x2 Cannon, x2 Halberd, 1x Hammer, Rhino w/ Search Light
Elite - Purifier 189pts
x2 Cannon, x2 Halberd, 1x Hammer, Rhino
Troop - Terminators 305pts
3x Halberd, 2x Sword, PsyCannon
Troop - Terminators 305pts
3x Halberd, 2x Sword, PsyCannon
Heavy - Psyfileman Dread 135pts
Heavy - Psyfileman Dread 135pts
Total - 1500

I know I am pretty close to the Crowe spam list, but I enjoy the terminator squad. Not taking Crowe gives me enough points to take 2 term squads, and give them a psycannon . My thoughts are moving the purifiers up and let them do their thing and taking advantage that every squad has at least one cannon. I do have two questions, Is it worth dropping a Halberd on the terminator squad to gain one hammer for general tank smashing? (so 3x Halberd 2x Sword, or 2x Halberd, 2x sword, 1x Hammer). Should I forget about the terminator squad and conform to the Crowe spam?

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by first strike on Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:38 pm

I think that a hammer in each squad is always important, as for what to swap for it it is up to you and what value you are getting from the swords (they give you a 4+ inv save in hand to hand). I run mine with halberds and a hammer as I want to kill as much as posible before they kill me (this way I will not have to make the saves (hopefully)).
Even if you add crow to the army there is no reason to drop the terminators, just make them one big squad and split them when you want.

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by Newtpow on Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:43 am

i dont get your 305 points for 5 terminators.
With one psicannon i get 225 points

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by Zealadin on Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:45 am

Go 1 hammer, 4 halberds with the GKT, swords won't outweigh the benefit of striking first IMO.

Other than the Inq it looks solid.

Its a nice balanced list with a variety of units which is nice to see.

Also as noted the GKT are overcosted, you could probably almost get another squad in.

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by Aubec le noir on Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:21 am

too few troops imho ... 2/3 of the scenarios are objective based ! Wink
btw welcome on thoses forums ! cheers
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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by cyrix03 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:45 am

Newtpow wrote:i dont get your 305 points for 5 terminators.
With one psicannon i get 225 points

Sorry, apparently I have added 2 extra units per squad. so that should read 2x 7man Terminator units with 1 cannon in each squad. But as Aubec pointed out I am short on scoring units. May be worth the points to remove one or two Termies to get crowe for the scoring units? Or with the points I save bringing the Term squads to 5, i can bring a Strike Squad in a rhino with a psycannon? I had not thought of the scoring units.

Thanks for the responses, it has given me fuel for thought. Anyone ever use a Inquisitor with a PsyCannon?

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by first strike on Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:07 pm

Get Crow, drop the terminators to 10 and make them one unit, add some more purifiers, they are better then normal strike squads.
Yes I have, it is expensive for what you get.

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by Zealadin on Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:36 am

Still one of the cheapest HQ's available and using wound allocation he can probably soak up a few wounds that would otherwise kill terminators.

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by cyrix03 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:36 am

first strike wrote:Get Crow, drop the terminators to 10 and make them one unit, add some more purifiers, they are better then normal strike squads.
Yes I have, it is expensive for what you get.

Alright, round 2.

HQ Crowe
Termi Squad (x10, 6 Halberds, 2 Hammers, 2 Cannons) 450
Purifier 1 (x6, 3 Halberds, 1 Hammer, 2 Cannons. Rhino. Justicar Master Craft) 220
Purifier 2 (x6, 3 Halberds, 1 Hammer, 2 Cannons. Rhino w/Light. Justicar Master Craft) 221
Purifier 3 (x5, 2 Halberds, 1 Hammer, 2 Cannons. Rhino) 189
2x Psyfile Dread(135 x2)
Total = 1500pts

Gives me 4 squads for scoring and two dreads. I loose my skulls for deepstriking. I will have to make this happen. Should I give my Justicars a Hammer or a Halberd? scratch

I don't like the spam but I did the math Crowe, 5x Purifier Squad (group 3 listed above) and 3x Dreads would be 1500pts. Lose the terminators but gain movement and a dread!

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by DOMIN4TRIX on Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:48 pm

I would be tempted to drop one Purifier squad and reduce the others to 5-men. This will give you the points to add a Landraider killing, late game contesting, cover incinerating, personal teleporting, four wound monstrous creature.

You will still have four scoring units and will gain many things you dont have. The utility given by our personal teleporter units is undervalued.

Just my opinion but you lack an aggresive HQ (Crowe usually babysits the dreads objective)

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by cyrix03 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:55 pm

DOMIN4TRIX wrote:This will give you the points to add a Landraider killing, late game contesting, cover incinerating, personal teleporting, four wound monstrous creature.

I like this! cheers Does the DK count as a scoring unit, or are you saying break the Terminator unit to two squads? Doing this I am coming up with 1483pts, with DK at 235 w/Incinerator and PT, no sword. I like the list two, but what would you do with the 17pts left over in this new list Brother Domin4trix?

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by DOMIN4TRIX on Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:08 pm

Sadly with no Grand Master it doesnt count as scoring, you would have to split the Terminators should you need.

Of course if you used Strike's and Razors instead of Purifiers and Rhino's you could run a GM instead of Crowe, though I fear this is corrupting your list beyond recognition.

I refuse to pay the Crowe tax on Purifiers, especially as a GM means the Knight and possibly both Dreads could score.

You would probably also end up with more firepower, you lose purifier psycannon's but could gain one on the GM and add two Razor psy HB's.

Your assault potential would stay the same, though you would lose all the cheap halberd's your GM and Knight would pick up the slack.

So.....

GM
10 Terminators
2 x 5 Strike's + Razor's
2 x Dreadnought's
Dreadknight

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by first strike on Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:53 pm

Both lists are valid, but they both play different ways, it is up to you what way you wish to play, your first list is more in your face and the second one is more shootie, and both are balanced.

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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by Aubec le noir on Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:00 am

try both lists and see which one do you prefer ... then retail it to fit you own playing style ... and that's it, you will have your own army !! Wink Razz
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Re: Another Newbie 1500pt List

Post by cyrix03 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:36 am

DOMIN4TRIX wrote:run a GM instead of Crowe, though I fear this is corrupting your list beyond recognition.

Aubec is right. I will have to put more time in and run both, now all three bounce , lists and see which works best. Still working on getting the dreads, but I will let you guys know what happens. Thanks again for all the help, much appreciated. Soon, I'll show them the wrath of the Emperor Twisted Evil

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