So... any ideas about who we really are?

as you know, the real origin of the GK is still a mistery... and that's good and bad: good because you can create nice backgrounds, but bad, because we don't have a primarch, nor official background books...

I hear lots of rumors:

-we are sons of the Emperor himself (the REAL Emperor's Children)
-we are the reult of a DNA soup, made with the gens of the 7 betrayers...
-we are the sons of one of the two lost primarchs (BTW, do you believe that Sigmar is the other?)
-we are sons of a captain of the Iron Warriors, who was the only one able to resist the chaos influence (I hope we are not, because that make us sons of perturabo... what an ugly name!)

what do you think?

We should be of the emperors own flesh.

Not a mix of traitors, that would be.... bad.

Not really, Only 1 of those traitors was the real Villian, the other 6 just subsided because they fealt their alligance lay more with Warmaster Horus rather than the Emporer. And personally, I think they did what they thought was best, the Emporer was back on Terra and they had only the Warmaster to turn to.


And, the 7 triaitors may not be traitors- they could be loyalists that belonged to a traitor Legion (Many loyalist Astrates from the legions that turned to Chaos were accussed of being traitors and executed). So it's not all as bad as that may suggest.

But still, grey knights based on world eaters?

Not the noble and calm person of steel faith i had in mind when thinking of grey knights.

I would say that theres most fluff to support the idea that we where made from the emperors own gene-seed.

Since it was he that ordered them to be made just after the battle against horus.

Or it could be Battle Captain Garro (A Loyalist from the Death Guard), A fictional Warhammer 40k charecter taken from the Horus Heresy Book, 'The Flight Of The Enisenstine'. At the very end its said that him and the unit are assigned a special duty to find and destroy Pyskers (This is during a period of time that all Pyskers were considered witches), Witches and deadly Xenos. It could be Battle Captain Garro's DNA, No-one truly knows.

I think he will become the inquisition.

Grey knights are as far as i know 2nd founding secret dudes.

That's after the heresy.

Would you take someone with the almost same dna and ideas as thousands of traitors and put them into a superefficient überfaithful fighting force to hunt the very things that made their brethren fall???

I wouldn't do that!

Well, Just because he is, he was unwaved by the opportunitys of chaos, infact, he was more disgusted by it. His loyalty to the Emporer was more than many loyalist marines that wern't directly under the command of Horus. Battle Captain Garro risked his life just to tell the Emporer of Horus' trechury, A man like that is deserving of a battle command and Terminator Honours. Most Marines would have just fallen to Chaos, but Battle Captain Garro risked everything against the odds, THATS loyalty.

Captain Garro?

I have to research that man!

and another one, from wikipedia:

Another possible source for their gene-seed is a purified 'cocktail' of the eight loyal Space Marines from the traitor legions, presented to the Emperor by Malcador the Sigillite, during the Siege of the Emperor's Palace. Malcador had been charged by the Emperor to gather a group of people whose loyalty, courage and strength of mind was unquestionable. The resulting eight marines possessed paranormal skills that were kept dormant (in respect of the Council of Nikaea's previous ruling) and had cast aside former loyalty to legion and Primarch. The Emperor is believed to have responded, "Malcador, you have judged well. These eight Space Marines do indeed have a vital role to play in the future of the Imperium, though veiled in secrecy will they be."

Yes, I suppose the few loyalist surviors of Istavan III could have been amoung those 8, such as, Captain Loken, and Captain Tarvitz.


Also, This taken from a Passage on Wikipedia:
"The fate of the Eisenstein survivors is unknown. Sequestered on Luna in a tower belonging to the Silent Sisterhood after arrival in system, Garro, the rest of his Death Guard, Iacton Qruze of the Luna Wolves, and the warriors of the Silent Sisterhood faced one of the Death Guard who had succumbed to Nurgle. Afterwards, Garro and Captain Qruze were met by Malcador the Sigillite, First of the Council of Terra and the Emperor's Regent, who informed them that the Emperor had need of people of strong of will and as "inquisitive" as they. These marines are thought to be the founding members of the Inquisition and the militant arm of their Ordo Malleus - the Grey Knights."

Mhmmmm, if that's from gw, it looks like it's the death guard and company from the eisenstein that is the founding of our beloved knights.

Maybe it's this, AND the emperors flesh. To make the new initiates a bit more awesome!

I think that the Grey Knights were made using the Emperors Dna, just because they are too awsome to be made from anything else! (just as 1 Space Marine is worth 10 normal people, 1 Grey Knight is worth 10 Space Marines (I think))

One space marine worth 10 people???

Change that too 100, or 1000.

Marines in books is all that they are not on the tabletop.

Mega-awesome.

And grey knights are as we know, better than regular marines.

Did you know that a space marine actually got scared and ran away when Angron charged him and a few others?

Read the Horus heresy series and see all the things a grey knights would never do.

Like run away from a blood crazed primarch with a chainaxe twise the size of you (If you were a space marine)

The info about Garro founding the GKs is correct. Why do you guys think I added a pre-heresy Death Guard icon to the avatar options all those months ago?

Maybe you like death guard?

Or maybe you like too give the players that play both death guard and knights to be able to choose the icon as an avatar on the site?

Maybe both?

do you have an image of the pre heresy death guard icon?

If you go to the user profile and where you choose your avatar, it's supposed to be there.

I don't know how it actually looks and so, guess it's the green one.

There is no actual answer to this it is left up to us to decide at the moment and allows a certain air of mystrery to surround the Grey Knights.

The 2 theories are as already stated by some:

1) Emperor's DNA/Gene-seed (not sure as he was human if he had one but he may have given himself surgery so he had one, but thats for another discussion) use to create Grey Knights.

2) A purified 'cocktail' gene-seed of the eight loyal Space Marines from the traitor legions(Garro and others), presented to the Emperor by Malcador as he had been asked by the Emperor to find a group of mariness who were loyal, courageous and their strength of mind was unquestionable.

Personally I think it is a combination of the 2. Where the emperors own DNA use to make gene-seed for the Grey Knights and the loyal Space Marines were the founding fathers.

Indeed i do believe its a mix of the two.

Prehaps the way it was purified was WITH the emperors gene-seed?

Guys we've establisished that it was Battle-Captain Garro Of The 10th Company Death Guard that founded the Grey Knights, If you would take time to read the book, "Flight Of The Eisenstine" in the Horus Heresy Series you would see.

Also Praex we need a Pre-Heresy Luna wolves badge as a Avatar option, as Captain Qruze of the Luna Wolves DNA was also Used.

Legion Of Light sorry to burst your bubble but that is not definative. I would agree it is a strong possibility but and I am going from memory the wording in Flight Of The Eisenstine is "we need men of such inquisitive nature" which would also strongly lead to the idea they were the founding members of the inquisition. The thing is there is no definative answer it is all just educated guess work and speculation based on snipets of information.

Well, at least MY Grey Knights are made from the Emperors DNA...

Just in my fluff though, no idea how they really came to be.

Legion Of Light wrote:Guys we've establisished that it was Battle-Captain Garro Of The 10th Company Death Guard that founded the Grey Knights, If you would take time to read the book, "Flight Of The Eisenstine" in the Horus Heresy Series you would see.

Also Praex we need a Pre-Heresy Luna wolves badge as a Avatar option, as Captain Qruze of the Luna Wolves DNA was also Used.

IL and my old, messed up account were the only ones with Adeptus Administratus powers. I'm powerless to probide you with said badges as avatar options at the moment.

Apologies.

Spartan wrote:Legion Of Light sorry to burst your bubble but that is not definative. I would agree it is a strong possibility but and I am going from memory the wording in Flight Of The Eisenstine is "we need men of such inquisitive nature" which would also strongly lead to the idea they were the founding members of the inquisition. The thing is there is no definative answer it is all just educated guess work and speculation based on snipets of information.

Ah ha Spartan

These marines are thought to be the founding members of the Inquisition and the militant arm of their Ordo Malleus - the Grey Knights.

Taken directly from Wikipedia. An article which I have disussed many times over Wikiepdia. One that I am know sure is true.

Also if you would take time to re-read page 404 in the book.

There Imperium requires men and women of inquisitive nature, hunters who might seek the witch, the traitor, the mutant, the xenos

That is more than definatly a refferal to the Grey Knights.

The Grey Knight were created using Captain Garro of the Grey Knights. Like it or not, the Emporer's DNA is not conclusivly in the Grey Knights.

"There Imperium requires men and women of inquisitive nature, hunters who might seek the witch, the traitor, the mutant, the xenos"


That quote doesn't mention anything about daemons