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Post by slayer18 on Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:31 pm

Now this is by no means a creative or ground breaking list, but I'm trying to figure out it's weaknesses before I shell out the $200+ to finish it. I already have most of the models, but I would realy like some input before I decide to dedicate 3 monthes worth of drinking money to it.
Total 2000 (I recalculated, 1991 is what I got just now, what do I spend 9 points on? *Edited 27 September, 2011-Down to 1986 as of most recent recal. What do I spend 14 points on besides probably Dark Ex and maybe Smite(big maybe))
150pts Crowe(yeah, it's one of those lists)

190pts Librarian w/NFS (QS, MOT, Sanc., Shroud)

266pts 9x Purifiers with falchions KOF with MC Hammer

258pts 9x Purifiers with halberds 2 psycannons KOF with MC Hammer

154 5x Purifiers with 2 psycannons 2 with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

154 5x Purifiers with 2 psycannons 2 with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

154 5x Purifiers with 2 psycannons 2 with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

85pts Razorback with TL Assault cannon and psybolt

85pts Razorback with TL Assault cannon and psybolt

85pts Razorback with TL Assault cannon and psybolt

205 Storm Raven with MM and TL lascannon

205 Storm Raven with MM and TL lascannon

I think this army is fairly balanced with 2 assaulting elements that will have a 3+ cover save while on the move, the storm ravens and the squad with the librarian provide for anti armor options, the razorbacks are armed to handle MSUs and light armored transports. I'm wondering what kind of armies will give this list problems and what other options should I consider.


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Re: Need Help with this

Post by shadow on Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:08 am

Why do you have your units of purifiers by 9?

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Post by slayer18 on Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:48 am

I have the assault elements in squads of 9 because of point restrictions. I have considered switching the assault cannons on the razorbacks to heavy bolters, but that would sacrifice shots and higher str for range and points. That would allow me to have squads of 10 that could be combat squadded if the need arose, but I think I have enough scoring units. I could also add one more to one squad by swapping the falchions for halberds, but with QS I don't think that would be for the best. I also think that my points for that squad may be off a little.

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Post by shadow on Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:45 am

Yes I think but only on 1 unit:

9x Purifiers with halberds 2 psycannons KOF with MC Hammer=258

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Post by Xethik on Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:55 pm

I think your Librarian might me over priced. It's 5 points per power, right?
Would that make him 170 instead?

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Re: Need Help with this

Post by slayer18 on Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:37 pm

Yeah, that's probably my reference sheets points with master crafting and a teleport homer for the librarian( I almost laughed myself out of the chair when I read that.) Please keep in mind, I don't have a personal computer, all of my work is done with the codex, a pen, and notebook paper and ussually when I can't sleep. Anyway, I need advice for what's missing, what I'll have trouble with, and how to compensate for these weakness. The only thing I can think of is Mechguard or Tau with massive amounts of longrange fire power dropping the strom ravens through thier cover save.

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Post by shadow on Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:10 am

There's also Eldar/Dark Eldar with their stupid lances.
You could drop 1 unit of 5+ 1Razor back to put 2x PsyDreads in

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Re: Need Help with this

Post by slayer18 on Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:27 am

Good call. I had a lot of points left over, so I added 2. Then I was over on points and had to make some adjustments. How's this?

150pts Crowe

185pts Librarian w/MC NFS (QS, MOT, Sanc., Shroud, Dark X, Smite)

263pts 8x Purifiers with falchions 1x Purifiers with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

242pts 9x Purifiers with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

154 5x Purifiers with 2 psycannons 2 with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

154 5x Purifiers with 2 psycannons 2 with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

85pts Razorback with TL Assault cannon and psybolt

85pts Razorback with TL Assault cannon and psybolt

135pts Dreadnought with 2X TL Autocannon and psybolts

135pts Dreadnought with 2X TL Autocannon and psybolts

205 Storm Raven with MM and TL lascannon

205 Storm Raven with MM and TL lascannon

or
150pts Crowe

185pts Librarian w/MC NFS (QS, MOT, Sanc., Shroud, Dark X, Smite, )

266pts 9x Purifiers with falchions KOF with MC Hammer

300pts 10x Purifiers with halberds 4 psycannons KOF with MC Hammer

154 5x Purifiers with 2 psycannons 2 with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

154 5x Purifiers with 2 psycannons 2 with halberds KOF with MC Hammer

85pts Razorback with TL Assault cannon and psybolt

85pts Razorback with TL Assault cannon and psybolt

195pts Venable Dreadnought with TL autocannon and psybolt

205 Storm Raven with MM and TL lascannon

205 Storm Raven with MM and TL lascannon

This leaves me with 16 points to play with(maybe extra armor on the dread? searchlights? Dozerblades?)


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Post by slayer18 on Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:30 am

These builds have stronger long range attacks and improve psychic defense. Hmmm. Speaking of which, any advocates for declaring the psyback troops GKSS?

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Re: Need Help with this

Post by shadow on Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:21 am

I prefer the first list with the 2 dreads, your libby is still priced wrong, should be 170 and you forgot to put crowe in mate Wink.

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Re: Need Help with this

Post by Lord Draigo on Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:56 am

I think a Purifiers/Stormraven Fast Attack list would work quite good in this way:


*************** 1 HQ ***************

Castellan Crowe
- - - > 150 P


*************** 5 Troops ***************

Purifier Squad
10 Purifiers
- 3 x Nemesis-Force Halberd
- 2 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 5 x Stormbolters
- 4 x PSycannon
+ Upgrade to Knight of the Flame
- Nemesis-Force Halberd
- Stormbolter
- - - > 298 P

Purifier Squad
10 Purifiers
- 3 x Nemesis-Force Halberd
- 2 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 5 x Stormbolters
- 4 x PSycannon
+ Upgrade to Knight of the Flame
- Nemesis-Force Halberd
- Stormbolter
- - - > 298 P

Purifier Squad
10 Purifiers
- 3 x Nemesis-Force Halberd
- 2 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 5 x Stormbolters
- 4 x PSycannon
+ Upgrade to Knight of the Flame
- Nemesis-Force Halberd
- Stormbolter
- - - > 298 P

Assault Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 2 x Nemesis-Force Sword
- 1 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 3 x Stormbolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- Nemesis-Force Sword
- Stormbolter
+ - Razorback
- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter
- Psybolt Ammo
- - - > 170 P


Assault Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 2 x Nemesis-Force Sword
- 1 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 3 x Stormbolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- Nemesis-Force Sword
- Stormbolter
+ - Razorback
- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter
- Psybolt Ammo
- - - > 170 P


*************** 3 Fast Attack ***************

Stormraven Gunship
- Twin-Linked Multimelta
- Twin-Linked Lascannon
- - - > 205 P

Stormraven Gunship
- Twin-Linked Multimelta
- Twin-Linked Lascannon
- - - > 205 P

Stormraven Gunship
- Twin-Linked Multimelta
- Twin-Linked Lascannon
- - - > 205 P


Grey Knights : 1999

The Stormravens can crush all Vehicles while the Purifiers are the perfect infantry killers. The assault squads are only there so save the Flanks whyle the main Froce rushes into the Enemy. And Crowe, well Crowe is useless.^^

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Post by Requiem on Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:22 am

Lord Draigo wrote:I think a Purifiers/Stormraven Fast Attack list would work quite good in this way:


*************** 1 HQ ***************

Castellan Crowe
- - - > 150 P


*************** 5 Troops ***************

Purifier Squad
10 Purifiers
- 3 x Nemesis-Force Halberd
- 2 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 5 x Stormbolters
- 4 x PSycannon
+ Upgrade to Knight of the Flame
- Nemesis-Force Halberd
- Stormbolter
- - - > 298 P

Purifier Squad
10 Purifiers
- 3 x Nemesis-Force Halberd
- 2 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 5 x Stormbolters
- 4 x PSycannon
+ Upgrade to Knight of the Flame
- Nemesis-Force Halberd
- Stormbolter
- - - > 298 P

Purifier Squad
10 Purifiers
- 3 x Nemesis-Force Halberd
- 2 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 5 x Stormbolters
- 4 x PSycannon
+ Upgrade to Knight of the Flame
- Nemesis-Force Halberd
- Stormbolter
- - - > 298 P

Assault Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 2 x Nemesis-Force Sword
- 1 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 3 x Stormbolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- Nemesis-Force Sword
- Stormbolter
+ - Razorback
- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter
- Psybolt Ammo
- - - > 170 P


Assault Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 2 x Nemesis-Force Sword
- 1 x Nemesis-Daemonhammer
- 3 x Stormbolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- Nemesis-Force Sword
- Stormbolter
+ - Razorback
- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter
- Psybolt Ammo
- - - > 170 P


*************** 3 Fast Attack ***************

Stormraven Gunship
- Twin-Linked Multimelta
- Twin-Linked Lascannon
- - - > 205 P

Stormraven Gunship
- Twin-Linked Multimelta
- Twin-Linked Lascannon
- - - > 205 P

Stormraven Gunship
- Twin-Linked Multimelta
- Twin-Linked Lascannon
- - - > 205 P


Grey Knights : 1999

The Stormravens can crush all Vehicles while the Purifiers are the perfect infantry killers. The assault squads are only there so save the Flanks whyle the main Froce rushes into the Enemy. And Crowe, well Crowe is useless.^^

that is in awesome list there Lord Draigo, only thing I'm missing is some long range firepower, like TL AC dreads... I'd be tempted to drop 1 SS squad en clipe some points here and there to add 2 dreads

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Re: Need Help with this

Post by Lord Draigo on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:00 am

Thank you, and yes, the Strike Squads can be exchanged by a lot of options while the coreof the list still remains the same. It just depends on the enemys ur facing and costumiasation is the key to victory unless you dont play an anti-list.^^

But i dont think that so much range Firepower is needed, if you cant bring the Load of the Stormravens as fast as possivle to the enemy the concept of the list has failed.

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Re: Need Help with this

Post by slayer18 on Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:59 am

I'm torn. Draigo's list is very good, however, I think the two dreadnoughts add more than an than a third storm raven w/purifiers. They would boost psychic deffence, and assist the storm ravens with vehicle killing. The reason why I'm considering GKSS is for home objective warpquake, however, depending on the mission, enemy, or terrain, the purifiers would be the stronger choice with two psycannons and cleansing flame. It's only about 19-30 point per squad difference, but I'm leaning more toward the purifiers.

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