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Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by Jambo on Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:04 am

hey brothers looking for any advice and pointers to get my army list to its best. Finally went out and got the rest of my army. I will say i have yet to decide on powers etc.

HQ: Crowe
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Elite: Paladins (5) halberts 2x psycannons

Troops: Terminators (5) deamon hammer 4x falcians 1x psycannon
Terminators (5) daemon hammer 4x halberts 1x psycannon
Purifiers (5) deamon hammer 4x falcians
Purifiers (5) daemon hammer 4x halberts
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Transport: 2x razorbacks twin linked lascannons

Fast Attack: Stormraven twin multi melta twin lascannons missiles

Heavy: Dreadknight heavy psy, daemon hammer

any advice and pointers will be much appriciated. Im still looking at getting more units ( vindicare assassin, dreadnaughts, draigo, mordrak, land raider etc) but havent decided yet. Thought id post my first 2000+ points see what you all thought

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Re: Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by TheCrimsonGlass on Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:34 am

Two things that kind of scream at me when I look at this: I know you said you hadn't decided on powers, but the ones I always go with are shrouding, sanctuary, warp rift, and might of titan. You can also considering summoning if you make have a tactic to use with it. The other thing is that I have played enough games with an army that contains both a single stormraven and a single dreadknight, and it just doesn't work. You really need either 2 stormravens and no dreadknights or 2 dreadknights and no stormravens. I would recommend 2 stormravens, as they can both be used to hand deliver the terminators/paladins if you so choose.

There are a couple other things concerning the core of your army: You've got 3 non-purifier troops choices, so Crowe really isn't adding much more than another potential kill point for your opponent to your army. I would remove Crowe, and use the extra points for a rhino and daemon hammer on your GKSS. If you traded the dreadknight for a stormraven and took out Crowe to add a rhino and daemon hammer, you should still have plenty of points to add something else to your army. I don't want to tell you to completely change up your army, but these are just the changes I would make personally.

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Re: Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by Corennus on Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:26 am

Falchions on the Purifiers is a) expensive, and b) not really worth it IMO

Purifiers get 2 attacks anyway, plus 1 for charging that's 3 attacks each.

You have a daemonhammer in each squad so 3 of those attacks are at I1...

Now, if you take halberds then 12 of your attacks will be at I6, costing you less points and with greater benefit than 4 extra attacks with falchions.

For example going against Lightning Claw Black Templar Terminators charging you(nastiest enemy I could think of that would present a challenge):

With Falchions:
You successfully cast Hammerhand, since Cleansing Flame is very unlikely to bring a Terminator down, and you want to be wounding on a 3+ (Str 5) and your daemonhammer just obliterating anything.
First of all you face (at I5) 15 lightning claw attacks at Str 5 (Furious Charge and Preferred Enemy in effect). Let's say 7 of these hit and 5 wound. Bye bye Purifier squad.

With Halberds:

You don't cast anything, meaning you wound on a 4+ with halberds.
At I6 you nullify your opponent's Furious Charge and strike out with 8 halberds attacks. 6 of these hit, 4 wound. The Terminators roll for Inv Saves. The 1st terminator fails, allowing the Purifiers to instantly roll to activate nemesis weapons. The other 3 wounds are Instant Death, and therefore The Terminators only have 2 models remaining to strike back with.
They strike at I4 with Str 5 lightning claws, unleashing 8 attacks. 5 hit, 3 wound.
Then your Daemonhammer rolls to hit with 2 attacks. hits once. Rolls to wound. 1 wound. Instant Death as Force Weapons are in effect (no inv save allowed)
The combat is won by the Purifiers! with them in a position to dominate the next round of combat....

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Re: Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by DonFer on Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:06 am

Corennus wrote: Instant Death as Force Weapons are in effect (no inv save allowed)

I think I missed this part in the rules, where does it says that Instant Death deosn't allow Inv. saves?

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Re: Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by TheCrimsonGlass on Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:11 am

I'm quite certain that invuln saves are allowed against force weapons.

The weapon is a power weapon by default: No armor saves allowed.

Use psychic power to activate force weapon: If the model takes an unsaved wound then it suffers instant death. Instant death's only purpose is for removing all remaining wounds. This is why it's only useful against multi-wound models. Almost nothing in the game negates invuln saves.

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Re: Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by Corennus on Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:44 am

apologies if I was wrong.

I believe though the point about halberds over falchions is still valid, due to the squad being able to cast hammerhand instead.

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Re: Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by TheCrimsonGlass on Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:48 am

I do agree that halberds are better than falchions. I guess I should have followed that up in my previous post! If I were taking purifier squads, if the model didn't have a psycannon or hammer, then it would have a halberd (hint: there would only be 1 hammer Razz ).

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Re: Advice on my first 2000 points

Post by Jambo on Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:22 am

Thanks brother for the advice.

@BrentK yeah i do agree with you i have been thinking of going with two ravens for the exact reason you said but i hav had 2 wins and a draw with them so i have got quite fond of my dreadknight lol. The powers you mentioned are actually the ones i have been experimenting with at the moment and the work wonders. Crowe will be getting side lined soon because i have noticed i have no need for him.

@Correnus i see what you mean about the falshian and halberts mix. I think i made the mixture to begin with so i could find out what i work well with.

thanks again for the advice will come in very useful

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