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[1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Dws974 on Tue May 31, 2011 3:46 pm

QG

brotherhood champion: 100pts

Elites:

Purifers: 362pts
-10 members in 2 combat squad
-2 gatling and 1 gatling mastered (in the same squad)
-1 incinerator + 4 halleberd(in the other)
-psy bolts
Razorback: Assault cannon+psybolt

Troupes:

Strikesquad: 310pts
-10 members in 2 combat squad
-2 gatling and 1 master (in the same squad)
-psy bolts
Razorback: Assault cannon+psybolt


Terminators: 220pts
-5 halleberd
-gatling mastered

Soutients:

Dreadnought: 135pts
-twin linked Autocannons
-twin linked Autocannons
-psy bolt

Dreadnought: 135pts
-twin linked Autocannons
-twin linked Autocannons
-psy bolt

Total: 1262pts[/color]

I played this list at a tournament in my games workshop at versailles that was my first game at 40k and with the grey knight i win 3 games but loose one of them because im a noob and my opponents was very good!!! ( he was 2nd of this tournament and i was 4th)

that was not the same list... in the tournament i played with lascanon+twin linked plasma... and that was not a good idea... so i will try with assault cannons or heavy bolter psybolt each, (the second choice is very cheap and allow me to choose some other things if i need point)

i put this list there and not in the french forum to got any advert from other people and have a new mind to think about that list

i wanna up that list to 1500 points

i think i will change the terminator and the bortherhood champion... i dont know how to replace the terminators... another strike squad maybe? but i think for 1500pts the champion is useless... (he can kill 2 trygon and one tyranides prince at a tournament but for 1250pts or lower) i think an archivist will be more effective... and give falchion to their corpse guard (the purifers) maybe ad a dreadnought too? i dont know... and what about a callidus?

what do u think about that?! (my list and what can i do to up at 1500)

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Zealadin on Tue May 31, 2011 7:07 pm

I think the BC would be better replaced with something else. He doesn't really fit and is a waste of points imo.
Your army is quite stand-offish. Not 100% sold on assault cannon razors, you pay alot for them, and there are better cheaper ways to deliver psycannons.

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Dws974 on Tue May 31, 2011 10:18 pm

for a 1250pts list or a second QG i think the BChampion is very good... for example at my tournaments on two games he kill 2 trygon with his slash and 1 tyranides princ with heroic sacrifice

but for 1500pts i think i can do better... so put anything else will be better, but greatmaster? brothercaptain? archivist?

you're right with the Assault cannon, but they are twin linked... so thats better than a psycannons... but they cost (35+5pts) so thats maybe a little bit expensive but you can open any land raider with that stuff...
4 shoot with relaunching F7 drilling

just for 85pts you have 0,6 chance in 4 shoot to make a damage to a LR so 0,4 to make an heavy damage

for exemple with a dreadnought twin-linked cannon you have 0,56 chance in 4 shoot to make a light damage (just that you need to stun a LR at 48")

but you're right for 20pts you have 0,85 chance to make a damage 0,6 to make an heavy damage

the thing is psycannons and assault cannons got 24"... versus an 48" of a twin linked cannon but he have his place on this list... we are arguing about the razor...

take psycannons take a heavy weapon slot and i prefer gatling because cheaper and anti-troops,

i agree psycannons are better than gatling because they are general purpose and powerfull but and that my choice i prefer gatling to shoot troops

for kill vehicles just have dreadnought is not too much... i need some lascannon assault cannons psycannons or anything else to destroy vehicles, maybe orbital strike? why not... need help to decide Smile

heavy bolter + psy bolt sounds like a better option... but it cant make damage to armor 12+

I dont know i think i will test first each of them for my next game to know their real power and efficiency...

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Zealadin on Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:03 am

If the gatling is the psilencer then the Psycannon is probably still better with rending. Psycannons can shoot anything psilencers are very limited.
Plus Storm bolters are more anti infantry than you should ever need if you have enough bodies.

Its your choice in the end but I would rarely take purifiers without max Psycannons.

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Aubec le noir on Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:12 am

psilencers is a no-choice use psycannons instead
too much purifiers and too few troops
use a GMaster instead of the BChamp ... he's worth his points because of grand strategy
give every squad a hammer ... just in case !! Wink
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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by andrew frost on Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:31 am

Take a vindicare, not the callidus, more troops are needed.

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Dws974 on Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:52 am

sorry i did not know the name of this weapon in english Smile and i prefer tell it gatling beacause in french "expurgateurs" is very ugly :s

so guy i dont want defend the psilencer again and in that forums too... if you are ready to read my battle report (in french) http://leliberdaemonica.forumgratuit.org/t240-rapport-tournois-1250

i know psycannon is the most powerfull (beyond the incinerator) u can shoot anything...

the psilencer is limited than a psycannon
the incinerator is limited too because you cant shoot far

but psilencer is free and has a quite efficiency just what he need to make his job
i play it as saturations shooting and its work!!! its work very good!!!

i played at this tournament and win 3 match... im a f*** noob this tournament was my first match at 40k... just dont underestimate this weapon...

i played it not because its a powerfull weapon (and its not) i played it beacause its cheap!!!! very cheap!!! and cheaps choice with an expensive army is important

just see my list... that list is very optimized

if i will use psycannons i couldnt use psybolt ammunition or i need to remove one or 2 GK per squad...

in an army with a few of troops... for me is more important to take a maximum number of troops, cheaper choice, and make saturation... than be 10/15 guys and not be more resistant and too powerfull to accept any death

thats my game play stop arguing with that...

i just ask help to up that list at 1500... i need change my HQ, and arguing with the weapon choice in the razorback

my list is nice and efficiency for my game play i've already play it in a tournament and it works... i know my error and whats wrong with this list (lascannon + twin linked plasma was a very useless in that tournament)

so i need to fix it and fill that list to 1500


hm... i think about vindicare... but why did u say need more troops? he cost the same as a callidus...

vindicare at 36" is good to destroy any vehicles kill any obliteror, energetic weapon or sergent a small HQ maybe?! but you got 4/5... maybe 6 shoot per game... and a good opponents can kill him with saturation, or dogde one or 2 shoot (i have already see that)

a callidus... is psychologic weapon... your opponents know you have it... he know when the callidus will come her target will got something strong in their a*s the question is for him... what unit... and its real... that unit will take hard... but the callidus is a one shot use... you deepstrike you shoot... and she die... (or can make 1 combat) thats it... she will die fast

vindicare is good to up my capacity to destroy vehicles one or 2 Land raider per game?! easily... but the callidus can for that shooting list... kill one of their unit comming to close combat and have escape from my shooting ... or kill a unit hiding from me... better i can anihilate a HQ at the first turn if im lucky, or keep busy his better unit for one turn the time i clean up the rest

thats a very difficult choice...

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Zealadin on Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:02 am

I like the Callidus personally. Like you said psychological factor is huge.

I understand where you are coming from, but its definately not optimised. Just keep that in mind if you find yourself struggling against parking lots!

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Valten on Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:30 am

I can sort of understand the Psilencers in the Strike Squad, but not in the Purifiers. You've got a 10 man squad and a Razorback, so you're going to have to combat squad them in order for it to work. The Razorback doesn't have any fire points so you won't be putting them there, and the other combat squad (with lets say the 2 Psilencers) will always be on the move as they are your best close combat squad.

I can't see you firing them.

I know you're saying you don't really have the points for Psycannons, but in fact you do! Downgrade the Razorbacks to Rhinos, and change the Psilencers to Psycannons. Just because the Rhinos can fit 10 man squads in doesn't mean you can't put combat squads in them if you wish.

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Re: [1250/1500pts] Grey knight tournament

Post by Dws974 on Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:17 pm

i use combat squad to divide them... i divide them to give my opponents more targent and have myself more target

one squad for shooting, the other to taunt... thats my choice...,

i wanna play razorback because he have a good shooting power... and he can bring one unit where i want...

my opponents will more shoot my razor first... than my dreadnought and thats true... they fear more that razor...

if i played dreadknight be sure i will use rhinos... but i dont...

thats my way dont argue with that i dont wanna play hard and optimized... just what i need to not be raped... but just what i need to win


ok i have think about it...

in the razor just psybolt ammunition

maybe a callidus

now... what about the HQ... brotherhood champion was good for 1250 because cheap... now for 1500 im looking for something else...

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