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Post by Rivan on Sat May 28, 2011 10:39 am

The next tourney I'm planning to attend is in September so I have lots of time to prepare. Planning on using the following list:

HQ - GM w/ m-c staff, p-cannon, rad & PS grenades, 2 skulls
HQ - BChamp
TR - 10 x GKT w/ 2 p-cannons/halberds, 2 hammers, 1 banner, 1 staff, 4 halberds, psybolt ammo
TR - 10 x GKSS w/ 2 p-cannons, 1 hammer, 7 swords, psybolt ammo
EL - 10 x Purifiers w/ 2 'cinnies, 1 hammer, 5 halberds, 2 swords, psybolt ammo
FA - 10 x Interceptors w/ 2 p-cannons, 8 swords, psybolt ammo
HS - LRC w/ psybolt ammo

42 infantry models + 1 tank; 2-4 scoring units minimum; 7 KP

BChamp joins Purifiers in LRC. GM has option to join them or attach to GKT's. If opponent has an uber unit that needs to be decapitated, GM will probably join the Purifiers. Cumulative effects of rad, PS gren and BChamp's HoT rule will pretty much deal w/ any unit in the game. All other units have the option to DS if needed.
As you can see, this is primarily a shooty list. Everybody w/ the exception of the BChamp has S5 shooting or higher. Horrendous amounts of heavy bolter equivalent shots (up to 64 shots if all units are on the table) can deal w/ hordes and light vehicles. The 8 p-cannons (7 + LRC assault cannon) can hopefully deal w/ heavier vehicles/walkers. GKSS & GKIS combined w/ servo-skulls provides good area denial.
One downside is mobility. Aside from the LRC, only the Interceptors have good mobility. So, I'll probably make extensive use of DSing the other units and using GM's p-communion and the skulls to control timing and placement. And/or possibly also using Scout from Grand Strategy to allow units to either outflank or to get further up the board before Turn 1.

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by stormknight on Sat May 28, 2011 1:15 pm

EDIT: I've decided to edit this post to make it clearer.
Your grandmaster will be better suited taking a single battlefield role. The pyscannon is suited to him walking to maximize effectiveness, the warding stave for close combat to maximize effectiveness. What I'm trying say is, use the pyscannon for walking and the warding stave in the LRC but don't use points for both because they can definately be spent better elsewhere.
Also your purifiers won't benefit from pysbolt ammo that much inside a LRC so will be better using a warding stave to suit there CC preference. I think one cinnie is more than enough alongside cleansing flame.
The LRC will be able to fire all weapons (using machine spirit too) when moving 6" but with pysbolt ammunition the hurricanes are no longer defensive therefore only 2 weapons fire when moving 6"
Good luck your tournament and I hope you get the advice and critics that help!!!

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Aubec le noir on Sun May 29, 2011 11:06 am

solid list
why do you give 2 swords for 2 of your purifiers ? give the ones without hammer or psycannons all halberds... imho Wink Razz
i agree with brother stormknight about the LRC giving him S5 hurricane bolters finally aweaken it... but i'll keep the psy ammo for the purifiers
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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Rivan on Sun May 29, 2011 11:56 am

Thanks for the feedback guys.

The GM is expensive yes but I'm using my heavily converted model as the centerpiece of the army (I'm sure you've seen him Brother Aubec Smile )

For the purifiers, the 'cinnies and the psybolt do make a difference. In my first play test, after the initial volley plus 2 templates, a 10-man grey hunters squad was reduced to 5 and I mopped them in assault with no losses. Also, the psybolts com in handy should their LRC get blown up early.

For the LRC, remember the psybolt upgrade makes the assault cannon S7. S7 rending is a big boost from S6 rending specially against AV14. The tank will usually move 12" for the first turn or two anyway, in which case I can only fire one weapon.

@Aubec: no more points left is the reason 2 purifiers have swords

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by sabian on Sun May 29, 2011 6:43 pm

Just curious why not have a LRR instead of crusader? Cheaper and can carry your models.

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Rivan on Sun May 29, 2011 7:48 pm

sabian wrote:Just curious why not have a LRR instead of crusader? Cheaper and can carry your models.

Sometimes, I may want to attach the GM as well as the BChamp to the Purifiers. LRR can only carry 12 models.

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by NemesisForce on Sun May 29, 2011 9:14 pm

Looks good. I just can't help thinking though that with all the points you have sunk in psybolt ammo you could get two psymmo'd R-backs for a little S6 long-range and a tad more mobility.

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by DonFer on Mon May 30, 2011 7:23 am

Nice list! there are some points I'd like to comment, though.

LRC survivability. One LRC in a 2000 pts, game is no LRC. There are plenty of trigger happy enemies out there waiting to unload their AP1 S10 weapons all over your LRC. I'd take 2, but that means you have to loose something that'll hurt your army build. So I'd say loose the LRC and either try a full footslogging army, or try to include some rhinos or RB for added mobility.

Psybolt ammo, I concur with Brother Stromknight. Purifiers and the LRC don't benefit too much using these, lose them and you have some spare points for other things.

Have you consider using a Librarian instead of a BC?

Hope this helps you, I like the idea of your army btw. Happy hunting!

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Aubec le noir on Mon May 30, 2011 7:29 am

Rivan wrote:@Aubec: no more points left is the reason 2 purifiers have swords
that's a good reason ! Razz Razz
and yes i saw your beautiful GM brother Rivan, and imho he deserves all his wargear ! Twisted Evil
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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Rivan on Mon May 30, 2011 10:04 am

Thanks again for all the feedback, I'm getting a lot of good ideas on tweaking the list Smile

@Nemesisforce/Donfer: I actually agree that having 2 LR tanks would be optimum but I'll lose bodies. I'm seriously considering losing the LRC and investing in some RB/rhinos instead. But then I don't have an effective assault platform for my purifiers. Nemesis made a good point that purifiers lose 1 turn from having to hop out of a rhino and waiting 1 more turn before they can assault scratch

@Aubec: Thanks Smile Sometimes I'm tempted to use just a stock GM w/ grenades but then all my efforts converting GM Rivan would be wasted if I didn't use him Razz

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Aubec le noir on Mon May 30, 2011 10:26 am

Rivan wrote: Nemesis made a good point that purifiers lose 1 turn from having to hop out of a rhino and waiting 1 more turn before they can assault scratch

@Aubec: Thanks Smile Sometimes I'm tempted to use just a stock GM w/ grenades but then all my efforts converting GM Rivan would be wasted if I didn't use him Razz

1/ maybe you can consider the stormraven as an option : less suvivability but better mobility and good fire power

2/ i know what you're going through ... i made my decision : i make a single model for every GM or BC with different gear ... so i bought last week one of the last metal Calgar available cause i love the conversion of a GM based on him, that i saw here in this forum ... even if by now i don't know how i'll equipe him ! Razz Razz

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by sabian on Mon May 30, 2011 3:28 pm

I just had a game with a guard player over the weekend, it was tight but the one thing i can say is my 3 psyflemen never got destroyed and both the guard player and myself think that venerable dread and LR's should be next to invincible. Just if anyone was wondering i pulled the game out by contesting his capture point with interceptors and he had nothing close to mine.

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Rivan on Mon May 30, 2011 10:45 pm

Here's how my alternative list looks like if I drop the LRC and get some lighter tanks:

HQ - GM w/ m-c staff, p-cannon, rad & PS grenades, 2 skulls
TR - 5 x GKSS w/ 5 swords; RB w/ TWLLC
TR - 10 x GKSS w/ 2 p-cannons, 8 swords; RB w/ TWLLC
EL - 5 x Paladins w/ 2 p-cannons, banner (assorted load out)
EL - 10 x Purifiers w/ 2 p-cannons, 1 hammer, 7 halberds; Rhino
FA - 10 x Interceptors w/ 2 p-cannons, 8 swords, psybolt ammo
HS - NDK w/ p. teleporter, greatsword, heavy 'cinnie

41 infantry models + 3 tanks; 2-3 scoring units minimum; 10 KP

Decided to take Paladins for the extra psycannon and more wounds. Together w/ the GM, they can unload 12 S7 shots as they advance. Also thought a NDK can be handy in soaking up shots as the paladins and the purifiers advance. Meanwhile, the 2 RB can at least provide some long range AT. The GKSS can still opt to DS instead of using their transports if needed.
Really didn't want to drop the BChamp but can't fit the points.

How does this compare w/ my initial list?

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by elugin on Tue May 31, 2011 2:40 am

If you have the points, add the third skull.

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Aubec le noir on Tue May 31, 2011 2:49 am

it's a solid list but i prefer the first
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Post by Zealadin on Tue May 31, 2011 3:42 am

I'd keep the 10 GKT if possible AND add the Pallies, it gives you more 2+ save saturation and makes it alot harder for your opponent to choose a target for his heavier weapons.
1 LRC as said won't last long, especially not at 2k, everyone has at least one throw away squad to deal with such a threat, and many armies have 3+ choices that will take out a LR with ease.

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Re: SoCalSmackdown Tourney September - 2000 pts

Post by Rivan on Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:45 pm

Thanks again for all the feedbacks and tips! It's amazing how just reading different point of views and styles can really help fine tune a list Very Happy

Anyway, here's a mesh of the 2 lists I initially posted and I think it looks more efficient and effective. Hopefully, third time's the charm Razz
I still only have 1 LRC, but its backed up by some lighter tanks. I just can't field 2 LR's anymore w/o suffering a huge loss in bodies.

HQ - GM w/ m-c staff, p-cannon, rad & PS grenades, 2 skulls
TR - 7 x GKT (1 'cinnie/halberd, 1 hammer, 3 halberds, 1 staff, 1 banner)
TR - 10 x GKSS (1 hammer, 2 p-cannons, 7 swords)
RB w/ TWLLC
TR - 5 x GKSS (1 p-cannon, 4 swords)
RB w/ TWLLC
EL - 8 x Purifiers (2 pcannons, 1 hammer, 5 halberds)
Rhino
FA - 6 x GKIS (1 pcannon, 5 swords)
FA - 6 x GKIS (1 'cinnie, 5 swords)
HS - LRC

Still have 6 pts to use. 3-4 scoring units/11 KP/ 43 infantry + 4 tanks
This list has more mobility. Purifiers' rhino can advance in the shadow of the LRC while the RB's sit back and provide some long range AT fire. GKIS w/ 'cinnie can target deadly units like eldar rangers/pathfinders or Tau pathfinders etc. GKIS w/ pcannon can snipe at vehicle side or rear armor. Of course, both GKIS can also serve as last minute objective grabbers/contesters.

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