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Post by shadow on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:35 am

Hi all,

After reading the release notes of the new dex and using the leaked dex until my pre-ordered official dex arrives, I've been messing around with lists. This list will probably change and instead of opening a new thread all the time, I plan on updating this one.
I'm looking for beat face goodness as finding it hard with Necrons, as you would expect Smile

So these are my views, might be totally wrong so don't hold back guys, if you think it's a bad list, let me know.

- Purifiers are awesome, I think they're better than the normal grey knights and for 20pts more for a squad of 5, they're a steal, especially for the ability of taking more heavy weapons.

- Dreadknights, I'm still unsure, but the model is awesome I think.

- I get the impression we lack high Strength weapons, so the Jokaero might be usefull

Anyway this is what I'm thinking so far:

HQ: 250

Castellan Crowe (to make Purifiers Troops)

Inquisitor Coteaz (to make henchmen troops and not require inquisitor for extra troops)

Troops: 755

Henchmen - 165
- 3x Jokaero, 3x Servitors (for cheap melta), 1x Crusader (for a invu and spare wound), 1x Death Cult Assassin (incase CC is required) (with Coteaz)

Henchmen - 135
- 3x Jokaero, 1x Crusader (for a invu and spare wound), 1x Death Cult Assassin (incase CC is required)

6x Purifier - 263
- Razorback, assault cannon, psybolts (for assault cannon S7), 2x Halberd (+2 I), 2x psycannon, 1x Falchions (+1 A), 1x Daemon Hammer (Assuming it's like Thunder hammer)

6x Purifier - 263
- Razorback, assault cannon, psybolts (for assault cannon S7), 2x Halberd (+2 I), 2x psycannon, 1x Falchions (+1 A), 1x Daemon Hammer (Assuming it's like Thunder hammer)

5x Purifier - 229
- Razorback, assault cannon, psybolts (for assault cannon S7), 2x Halberd (+2 I), 1x psycannon, 1x Falchions, 1x Daemon Hammer

Heavy: 445pts

Dreadknight - 215
- Heavy psycannon, Gatling Psilencer, Daemon Hammer

Dreadknight - 230
- Heavy psycannon, Gatling Psilencer, Great Sword

Total: 1750

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Sai on Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:03 am

I think Crowe and his band of extra pure brothers are going to be very popular if points remain the same. People will need the extra attack- normal strike squads with only 1 attack aren't going to bother anyone much, especially if some give up their swords for heavy weapons. I'll be taking them for warp quake though- i think I'll find drop zone denial incredibly useful in games against tyranids, blood angels and those silly heroicly intervening types. In planetstrike defence they're going to be worth their weight in gold.

Otherwise, the list is shooty, stabby and mobile- seems fairly solid and balanced.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Rivan on Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:07 am

Not bad. 4 scoring units & 12 KP.

As Sai mentioned, you have a good balance b/w shooting and CC.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Aubec le noir on Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:50 pm

purifiers are the best entry of our new codex (and cheap) with crowe you have a good combo
question : why 3 jokaeros ? one is enough i think.
and for the dreadknight i don't think you can have psylancer+psycannon + cc weapon ... you have to choose : 2 cc weapons, 2 shooting weapons, or 1cc+ 1sw
but you did pretty well for a first try
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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Sai on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:48 pm

Each Jokaero after the first adds one to the special abilities table rolled on at the beginning of the game, at least in the leaked dex. Plus they're only BS3 and sometimes you're going to need a lascannon on target.

That's what I assume the answer is anyway.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:17 am

Thanks guys,
@Sai: Cheers brother

@Rivan: Sorry Rivan, might be wrong here but won't both henchmen be classed as troops so I should have 5 scoring units, no?

@Aubec: I see what you mean about the Dreadknight, I thought I'd do it that way to "stack" up the points. There doesn't seem to be any restrictions in the leaked Dex but this might be different in the official one.
Yes I put 3 Jokaero for the +2 to bonuses and as Sai said they're only BS3 so playing the odds game here.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Aubec le noir on Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:18 am

well for henchmen ... they are with the inquisitors who are elite so i don't think they are troops
and i nearly sure that you have to choose a shooting weapon or a cc weapon for the dreadknight
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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:30 am

Ok cool, thanks for the update, I did think that Coteaz made henchmen Troops but might be wrong

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Sai on Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:42 am

He does in the net dex. No idea about the real one.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Aubec le noir on Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:11 am

i didn't saw if coteaz made henchmen as troops ... it's possible
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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:00 pm

Any ideas if a terminator list such as:

Grand Master - 180
- Master crafted weapon (5)

6x Terminator - 295
Psycannon (25), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd, 1x Nemisis Falchions (5), Brotherhood banner (25)

6x Terminator - 295
Psycannon (25), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd, 1x Nemisis Falchions (5), Brotherhood banner (25)

5x Terminator - 215
Psilencer (15), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd

5x Terminator - 215
Psilencer (15), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd

Land Raider Crusader - 275
-Psybolt ammunition (20)

Land Raider Crusader - 275
-Psybolt ammunition (20)

Total = 1750

or

Grand Master - 180
- Master crafted weapon (5)

5x Terminator - 250
Psycannon (25), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd, Brotherhood banner (25)

5x Terminator - 250
Psycannon (25), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd, Brotherhood banner (25)

5x Terminator - 250
Psycannon (25), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd, Brotherhood banner (25)

5x Terminator - 215
Psilencer (15), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd

5x Terminator - 215
Psilencer (15), 1x Daemon Hammer, 1x Force Halberd

Nemesis Dreadknight - 195
- Heavy Psycannon (40), Nemesis Greatsword (25)

Nemesis Dreadknight - 195
- Heavy Psycannon (40), Nemesis Greatsword (25)

Total = 1750

Would be viable? Like other Deathwings?

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Sai on Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:10 pm

As long as the combat squad rules have carried over from the leaked dex you may think about making squads of 10 terminators. If it's a kill points mission you can keep them together and if it's objectives split them up. Plus you'd be halving the cost of psybolt ammo if you took it, and for +2 points a model I don't see why you wouldn't. If you give units 'hammer of righteousness' you're killing T3 guys on a 2+ with a reroll: that's a lot of corpses.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:11 pm

good point, sneaky, I like it Twisted Evil

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:03 pm

Might have to change my approach to the new codex.
Any body have/seen a purifier spam list?
The reason I ask is because we have a guy at our club that tends to "forget" to tell you what he has in his army and surprises you with it. Nice!
So I think he might need a lesson if you catch my drift.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by DarkRonin on Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:53 pm

Your going to have to take Crowe as one of your HQs and then just build it up from there. Just remember that he isn't an Independent Character and can be easily singled out (I don't know why Matt Ward insists that he's a CC Beast when he really isn't one compared to the regular Brotherhood Champion).

Your also going to need to load up on as many special weapons as you can for them. Especially when you can take up to four per squad. Sounds like a bit of a points sink, but if you compare them to the classic PAGK squad fully decked out with psycannons, they are noticeably cheaper.

It's something that I would like to do myself sometime, but I really dislike Crowe due to his rules and his fluff. At least with him not being able to join a unit, the furious charge only affects him.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:20 am

Update on 1750pts list:

HQ: 150

Castellan Crowe - 150

Troops: 999

10x Purifier - 333
- Rhino, 4x Halberd, 4x psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer

10x Purifier - 333
- Rhino, 4x Halberd, 4x psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer

10x Purifier - 333
- Rhino, 4x Halberd, 4x psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer

Fast Attack: 300

Grey Knights Interceptor Squad - 150
- 1x Psycannon, force halberd, Daemon Hammer

Grey Knights Interceptor Squad - 150
- 1x Psycannon, force halberd, Daemon Hammer

Heavy: 260

Dreadknight - 260
- Heavy Incinerator, Great Sword, Teleporter

Total = 1749

Right, the idea is to send Crowe forward like a lone wolf.
The DK moves 12" to get into range to burn stuff he also serves as my "distraction".
The GKIS are there to get into contact quick and provide the Warp Quake.
The Purifiers will be ferried up by the Rhino and dissembarked, now the unit is deployed and will be either divided into 2 combat squad with the psycannons in 1 squad (I think I'm allowed to do this) or kept into 1 squad and move up the field to get into combat.

So that's potentially 52 psycannon shots (counting the GKIS ones as assaulting) and 42 models.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by fa11en on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:59 am

The only vehicle you can combat squad out of is a Drop Pod. You may want to consider pre-combat squadding and deploying the foot slogger half via deep strike.

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Post by rogueuk on Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:19 pm

if you pre combat squad them you could change the rhinos into razor backs with lascannon and theres anti tank which is low too

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:47 pm

Hi guys, after deliberation I'm putting in the models I like, so 2 ideas:

HQ: 250

Castellan Crowe - 150

Brotherhood Champion -100

Troops: 887

10x Purifier - 333
- Rhino (40), 4x Halberd, 3x psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer

10x Purifier - 333
- Rhino (40), 4x Halberd, 3x psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer

8x Purifier - 221
- 5x Halberd (10), 2x psycannon (20), Daemon Hammer

Fast: 225

Stormraven - 225
- Twin-linked multi-melta, Psybolt ammo

Heavy: 380

Dreadknight - 190
- gatling psilencer, Great Sword

Dreadknight - 190
- gatling psilencer, Great Sword

Total = 1750

So that is list 1, I think Purifiers are one of the best units we now have so why not use them Wink
Planning on putting the squad of 8 Purifiers + Champion in Stormraven as he allows you to re-roll to hit and can take out a big character when he dies.
I chose the gatling psilencers just in case I end up against more of a hordy type of army and even a space marine can fail armour saves Wink

Second one:

HQ: 550

Castellan Crowe - 150

Mordak - 400
- 5x ghost Knights, 2x Daemon Hammer, 3x Halberd

Troops: 801

10x Purifier - 338
- Rhino, 4x Halberd, 4x psycannon, 2x Daemon Hammer

5x Purifier - 234
- Razorback, assault cannon, psybolts, 2x Halberd, 2x psycannon, Daemon Hammer

5x Purifier - 234
- Razorback, assault cannon, psybolts, 2x Halberd, 2x psycannon, Daemon Hammer

Heavy: 380

Dreadknight - 190
- gatling psilencer, Great Sword

Dreadknight - 190
- gatling psilencer, Great Sword

Total = 1736

Plan here is to use Mordrak as a distraction, DS him hopefully behind cover close to the enemy, whilst the rest moves up behind Wink
Still have 14pts to play with but not sure on what.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Driz1 on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:41 pm

TL asscan with spybolt ammo is better mathematically than a lascannon.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Nausaden on Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:46 pm

More Mordrak means more awesome! Razz

But no I actually really like your combo of him with Crowe. I suggest testing out your purifier lists and letting us know how they do.

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:27 am

Thanks Nausaden, got my proper codex yesterday Woohoo!!
So had a good look through it and have come up with a 3rd list Wink


HQ: 250

Castellan Crowe - 150

Brotherhood Champion - 100

Troops: 859

5x Terminators - 225 (go in LRC)
- Psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer, 2x Halberd

10x Purifier - 339
- Rhino, 2x Halberd, 4x psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer, 2x Nemisis Falchions

9x Purifier - 295
- Rhino, 2x Halberd, 2x psycannon, 1x Daemon Hammer, 2x Nemisis Falchions

Heavy: 640

LRC - 260
- Psybolt Ammo

Dreadknight - 190
- gatling psilencer, Great Sword

Dreadknight - 190
- gatling psilencer, Great Sword

Total = 1749

*Edit: added Nemisis Falchions as they would add +2 attacks: +1 For being a pair of force/power/hand weapons, +1 in the rule for Falchions and so +3 attacks, so =5 attacks, on the assault Wink


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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by Aubec le noir on Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:16 am

3 very different lists ... you have to testplay them and report brother !! Razz
i like the purifier list, but i'm not too found of Crowe ... so i would like some feedback of his real impact in game...
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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by DonFer on Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:47 am

I liked your Jokaero list. It was like having 2 Devastator squads with Invul. save. Nice Idea Brother Shadow!

I'll try to do something similar myself if you don't mind.. Smile

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Re: Shadow's first 1750pts list

Post by shadow on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:47 am

I don't mind at all brother, if ideas I throw up here inspires people then it's goal achieved.
If you wanted something else to think about:

Coteaz - 100

10x Death Cult Assassins - 150 That's 40 , yes 40, power weapon attacks on the assault at WS 5 , S 4 , I 6. BOOM

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