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Post by Aubec le noir on Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:06 am

so : some weeks ago i made a battle against the Blood Angels of a friend of mine.
my list :
GKGM + icon + psycannon + hammerfist = 210
5GKT (one with SS/TH) + holocaust = 250

Justicar + 6 PAGK (1)+ 1 psycannon = 225
justicar + 6 PAGK(2) + 1 incinerator = 210
justicar + 4 PAGK(3) + 1 psycannon = 175

Inquisitor + Artificier armour + combined bolter-plasma + "fléau" + 2 mystics + 3 warriors (plasma +melta+laspistol/ccweapon) + rhino = 182

GK Dread 1 + psybolts + EA = 95
GK Dread 2 + multimelta + EA + incinerator = 140
GKLR + EA = 255
GKLRC = 255

= 1997 points

and writing it i see that i have 4 HS instead of 3 so i involontarily cheated for this battle (i'll apologise when i'll see my friend Embarassed)

his list (from memory so sorry if it's not accurate)
1 chaplain
9 death company SM all with energetic weapons + 1 LR

2 x SM tactical squad (idem) : 1 sargeant + glove + ML + 9 SM
1 assault squad of 5 SM + jetpacks + 1 energetic weapon

1 Baal
5 terminators + assault cannon

1 LR+ EA = transporting the HQ and the death company
1 LR + EA = transporting the termies
1 vindicator

(as i see it : too few troops, too much tanks and no sanguinian priest : we talkes of this afterward)

here are the pics and bat rep (sorry for the poor quality of the pics made with my i-phone Embarassed)

mission + deployment :
catch and keep (2 bases) + normal battle.

my deployment :
on the right rhino + inquisitor and retinue in
center-right : the Dread 1 and PAGK 3 on the objective
center : LRC + HQ + dread 2
center-left PAGK 1
left PAGK 3 + LR


his deployment :
left : HQ + deathcompany + LR
center-left : the assault squad
center : 1 tactical squad
right : LR + termies + 1 tactical + vindicator + baal (after deployment : scout rule)

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Brother Ezekiel on Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:34 am

Is the Baal that you listed a Baal Predator?And does energetic weapons mean power weapons(as in they don't allow armour saves)?And I bet that the glove on the Tactical sargents is the power fist,right?And what is
"fléau"?

At first I think he does have enough troops because he has 4 troops squads,the tactical,the assault squad and the death company,since last time I checked I think death company and assault squads were troop choices in the Blood Angel squad.Then I think that maybe the termies in LR were a wrong choice since they have an assault cannon and storm bolter,they would be way better off depp striking or something,maybe he should have putten assault termies inside that LR,but we all have our ways.But I think that the assault squad is a bit under manned and that Death Company is a bit akward choice because I remember that they had Frenzy,which I think is a serious flaw in them.

On another note is the deployment Pitched Battle and the Catch and Keep Capture and Control or your own kind of mission?

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Zealadin on Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:59 am

Your friends list looks horrible to me X.x

But.... Chaplains are not a BA HQ choice, if he was able to use Psychic powers it was a Librarian, if it granted his Death Company rerolls to hit and wound it was a reclusiarch. Chaplains are elite.
Death Company also are not scoring. So while they ARE troop, they aren't 'Troop'. If you get my drift :p

Also the Death Company don't really need that many Power weapons if they have a reclusiarch, with reasonable rolling 2 + the one weilded by the Reclusiarch should pretty much kill a normal squad of SM, even 4 would get the job done.
It almost doubles the cost of death company to add the PW afterall.

It looks a bit like he is playing a normal Space Marine army while trying to use the BA codex without taking advantage of any of the benefits (Descent of Angels, Blood Chalice's, fast movement vehicles)

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Brother Ezekiel on Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:02 am

I do think that the creators of BA codex kinda made a bad choice on the Vanguard Veterans when they didn't give them Decent of Angels.

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Zealadin on Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:04 am

All Blood Angels equipped with Jump Packs gain the Descent of Angels rule, its part of the wargear, not the unit, so only units that are already equipped with the jump pack have the rule listed in their profile. Any squad which upgrades to include jump packs also gains it.
Vanguard Veteran are actually able to buy the Jump Packs, use descent of angels, AND assault the turn they deepstrike instead of shooting, if you are in range.

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by rogueuk on Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:23 am

ok i now the pics dont work on the pc am on but you didnt say if you won are lost

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Brother Ezekiel on Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:36 am

He haven't actually yet told us anything about the actual battle,just the forces and shown theyr deployment.

@ah I didn't know it came with the jetpacks,I thought it was a unit rule,like Comabt Squads or something,since in a preview video these guys were talking about that "The one unit that needs the Decent of Angels,Vanguard Veterans,don't get it." and so worth,but thanks for clearing that up,before I have battled against any BA player.

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Zealadin on Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:09 am

Yea alot of people actually didn't realise, because you only notice if you check the wargear section and read about the jumppacks there, otherwise you would never realise.

Its kind of silly on GWS's part, but alot of the rules/wording in the codex seem to have been rushed without proof reading.

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Aubec le noir on Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:09 am

ok
so my post with the first 2 turns is lost ... Mad Mad
i'll make it ...again !

yes : glove is power fist, energetic weapons are power weapons and baal is predator baal
his HQ is indeed a reclusiarch and death company is troop but can't take objective (not operational troop)
and "fléau" is the french name for a shooting psychic power for which i don't know the name in english

and of course my friend's list isn't the one i would have made, but he made it with the minis he had (he bought some more effective like the priest and the "sanguinor" (french name) but weren't ready yet)

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Aubec le noir on Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:12 am

Turn 1 and 2 :
I rushed my LRC toward his LR firing only with the melta immobilized it (yes!) but few other result
i rushed my rhino with the inquisitor and retinue facing the LR and death company

in reaction he moves his LR with termies to assault PAGK 1 letting my HQ in the middle of the field which is not the most comfortable position Razz Razz
by the way he moved his Baal and shoot my multimelta dread destroying the multimelta and destroyed the assault cannon of the other

as i moved my left RL with PAGK 2 i was able to counter-fight his assault so after the shooting phase : i exploded his vindicator and destroyed his Baal.
then i assaulted his termies with my other PAGK and destroyed them


Turn 3 and 4 :
I ran with my left dread toward his center tactical squad that has suffered a lot from my PAGK 3 and reach it for assaulting on turn 3

my HQ moved toward his tactical objective squad in with the intention to let them be with the emperor Razz Razz
this was a tank challenge i destroyed 1lascannon and immobilized his right LR and loose 1 lascannon of my LR, the LRC had moved to reach my own objective and was out of reach. i moved my rhino (still alive) to close the easiest way to my objective.

he reacted in moving his LR (death company staying footslogging to my objective : i didn't understand this option) to shoot my HQ but unfortunately for him i passed all the saving tests

in turn 4 my HQ shoot, assault and destroy his tactical squad on objective as my dread assaulted the other one : destroying both but i loosed my dread
what was left of my 2 PAGK 1 and 3 reached the doors of the opponent's objective and my LRC blocked the doors of mine.
his LR with DC get to my HQ and the other dread.




but by the end of turn 4 i made my point clear.
Wink
he shoot my HQ with his LR killling 2 termies and moved on foot his death company toward my objective, but too late, he was too far

by the end of turn 5 I had both bases and won with points too :
this end with a massacre


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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Brother Ezekiel on Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:25 am

Nice pics,but it seems the writing about what is going on is still missing,if there was any of course.

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Aubec le noir on Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:33 am

here is the events of the battle brother Ezekiel
what i forgot to say is that the justicar from the PAGK 3 (in my objective) supported 1 full turn of shooting but managed to pass succesfully all the saving throw he had to do !! i think he's the guy of the battle (with my GM of course)
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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Rivan on Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:55 am

Nice battle. Man, that was good rolling on armor saves for your Justicar! The emperor was truly watching over him Razz

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Zealadin on Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:56 am

Very nice!!!

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Aubec le noir on Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:11 am

yes this one is a survivor ... but with a 3+ saving (PA and cover for big guns) it's easier !! Razz Razz
by the way sorry for the poor quality of the pics ... made with my i-phone
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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by NemesisForce on Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:22 pm

Nicely done Aubec. No worries on the quality of the pics. It's better than having none at all.

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Re: GK against BA 2000 points

Post by Nausaden on Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:08 am

Agreed with Brother NF; I personally found the pictures very helpful regardless. Aside from the extra HS, (which is understandable, freaking Dreads being heavy support sucks in my opinion) it was a clear cut victory for you.

I have a habit of my squads of 7 PAGK's slowly being whittled down throughout the game, but the Justicar's almost always survive the battle Very Happy

I'd like to see more Blood Angels , nobody plays them at my local shop, and I love battle reports. Keep up the good work!

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