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Post by Klomster on Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:39 pm

I have a problem!!!

An oppurtunity, a moment to show the guys around here that grey knights doesn't epically suck.

So, this is the challange, a week after the new tyranids have arrived there will be a small tournament at the local gaming club.

1000 points, no restrictions.

So i need a list, deamonhunters, i am only held back by a few models, but that is quite easily fixed.

So the plan so far.

I will work soethiing out of this.

Units i want to field.

Grand master, standard Castus.
Holocaust
MC wep, sword.
Psycannon bolts.

190, the danger with this is that i will believe he has 4+ inv save and psychic hood (as he has always had)
235 with theese.

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Knights, Velio. 5
4 knights with justicar.
2 psycannons.

200 points.
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Weiz. 7
6 knights with justicar
incinerator.

210. (If i recall correctly)
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Land raider, Puritas the iron crusader.
LRC
Hunter killer (optional)

270

870 with the new grand master, 915 with the old.

I can get in some storm troops, but the only special wep models i have are flamers, so i'm a bit restricted there.


I can add a 6 man stormtroops squad with 2 meltas and have 5 points left, i can tweak and twist and add a super pointless inquisitor (20 pts) and add the eversor, he might be devastating in such low points.

Or add terminators, not many though.

Perhaps a dread if i strip a bit.

I need ideas, i think it would be really fun to have that retard inquisitor and the eversor.

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Post by NemesisForce on Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:49 pm

Personally, I'd add more Grey Knights with the extra points. A small squad of IST without transport probably won't survive that long. Especially since there might be a few Nid swarms making an appearance.

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Post by Klomster on Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:18 pm

Problem is i don't have more models.

I can finish another plastic one, and perhaps buy a few, but i'd rather not (not that much money you see)

And i got really taken by the idea with.

An inquisitor..... with melta bombs.
Real epic. Too counter my lack of antitank Razz

But the extra PAGK is noted.


Extra: If you don't feel like giving tactical advice, come up with as cool an inquisitor with about 30 pts limit. I will also hunt for some models, to see if i can find a cool one. It's just to allow the eversor.

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Post by Rivan on Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:36 pm

For the purpose of fielding an eversor, I think an inquisitor w/ bolt pistol and CCW (22 pts) is enough. Attached him to a PAGK squad, he becomes fearless, effectively has T 4 and has 2 wounds. I think the potential damage an eversor can do will far outweigh the drawback. Just my two cents...

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Post by Tiberius on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:21 am

Two scoring units are the worst drawback I'd say, since you'd be in deep tyranid <you know what> if your enemy managed to take one or both of your PAGK squads down.

Remove two PAGKs from your 'cinnie squad, and add in five in a squad of their own, perhaps even with a 'cinnie as well.
210 - 50 = 160
870 - 50 = 820
820 + 160 = 980

20 points left for a hood or, without that hunter-killer, an Icon of the Just.

@ Rivan;
That idea's awesome! For every elites slot and 20 points left over, you can add 2 wounds to one of your PAGK squads! And he can carry a psycannon too, thus making him cost as much as a PAGK with the same weapon. That could be useful in a fire-support PAGK squad, giving them three psycannons at the same BS! Yummy!

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Re: Now i'm gonna show the unbelievers!!!(1000 tourney list)

Post by Klomster on Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:56 am

Well, i could add my normal inquisitor, a guy with a psycannon, and have him in my mini purgation squad (which i normally field him in)

Although then i won't be able too afford the eversor.

I could change the list radically, and remove the raider and add a dreadnought.

I'm now basically going trough my options.

Thing is an inquisitor with Bolt pistol close combat weapon is almost more useless than the one with melta bombs, then i would rather have him without weapons.

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Post by Rivan on Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:37 am

Well, true but you wanted to stay under 30 pts for your inquisitor right? If you don't mind going over 30 pts, then giving him a psycannon would be the most useful Very Happy

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Re: Now i'm gonna show the unbelievers!!!(1000 tourney list)

Post by Klomster on Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:30 am

Well, if i drop 1 grey knight, psycannon bolts and the hunter killer i can afford a psycannon inquisitor and the eversor.

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Post by Primarch on Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:00 am

I reckon keep the LRC, for its anti troop fire power. Especially since it is the best LRC in all of the 40k codices (can always fire hurricane bolters!!!).

To make the 22pts inq. if you have a guardsman sergent greenstuff a cloak and bam! you have an inquisitor Razz

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Post by Klomster on Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:31 am

Well, i think i will see if i can find any cool models, otherwise i will make a simple inquisitor.

It would be fun to have an inquisitor that looks like a scared retard, then i could say that "This is the kind of man who have the power to destroy worlds!"

I will check the gaming store for some cool models (they stock microart, hasslefree and warmachine/hordes models in store! Very practical.)

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Post by Klomster on Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:58 am

Ok, now i've found a cool model for an inquisitor with "bolt pistol" & CCW.

So him to have the eversor, and the list above.

Thoughts?

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Post by DarkRonin on Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:10 am

It looks good to me, but with this Inquisitor and Eversor, I'm not entire sure if your still planning on dropping the bolts, a Knight, an the missile, but if you do, you have roughly 18 Points left over. You can add some of the stuff you took off back on.

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Post by Klomster on Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:52 pm

Yeah, i remember roughly i can keep them all.

And still have the eversor.

Or i had to drop the hunter killer.


Anyways, i'll have to put in on table and look at their numbers.

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Post by The Acolyte on Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:37 am

Eversors are the bomb! Literally
I had a game a few days ago, and in it my evorsor infiltrated in and destroyed a basilisk in one turn then survivored a leman russ shooting all its guns at it lol.
In another game my evorsor destroyed a carnfiex and a hive tyrant in 2 turns!

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Post by Klomster on Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:56 am

Well, the most badass thing my eversor have done is saving my army (for a whole turn) almost dodging an entire eldar armies shooting.

He died from the very last guardian squad, 2000 points battle, or 1700.
Plenty eldar anyway.

Anyway, i guess all can agree that he is very useful, and he can eat tyranid monsters effectively.

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Post by Klomster on Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:33 pm

Grand master, standard Castus.
Holocaust
MC wep, sword.
Psycannon bolts.
Icon of the just
Auspex

217
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Inquisitor Friedrich Hochenstein 1
CCW
Bolt pistol

22
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Eversor

95
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Knights, Velio. 5
4 knights with justicar.
2 psycannons.

200 points.
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Weiz. 7
6 knights with justicar
incinerator.
Frag

211.
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Land raider, Puritas the iron crusader.
LRC

255

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Post by Rivan on Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:11 pm

Pretty solid list Very Happy

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Post by Klomster on Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:01 pm

Think it can handle a trygon?

Hive tyrant with a guard and lots of gaunts?

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Post by Rivan on Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:55 pm

Don't know how tough a trygon is...

I reckon it will require careful tactics. I would shoot the crap out of the hive tyrant and guards first before even closing in. Can our GM force-kill a hive tyrant?

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Post by rogueuk on Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:11 pm

yeah you can force kill any nid they dont have the eth warrior rule i killed one on saturday to kill it i shoot at it with 2 flamers, 2 incinerators, 11 stormbolters, 7 lasguns, 1 heavy bolter and i took 1 wound off it then charged with grand master, 4 GK terms, 5 GK, INQ, 8 guardsmen
the 4 GK terms killed it with there 6 str

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Re: Now i'm gonna show the unbelievers!!!(1000 tourney list)

Post by Klomster on Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:19 pm

Ok new list.

This one better?

Grand master, standard Castus.
Holocaust
MC wep, sword.
Psycannon bolts.
Icon of the just
Auspex

217
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Inquisitor Friedrich Hochenstein 1
CCW
Bolt pistol
Psycannon bolts (optional)
Melta bombs (optional)

22
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Eversor

95
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Stormtroopers 5
Flamer x2

60
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Stormtroopers 5
Flamer x2

60

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Land raider, Puritas the iron crusader.
LRC 255
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Terminators 4+Bc
Holocaust (BC)
Incinerator.

276


1000 points.

Do you understand why i don't understand people who have points left? Razz

The 15 points i spent on the inquisitor (psycannon bolts and melta bombs) is something i can put elsewhere.
Perhaps a hunter killer, not much worth though. or hammerhand on gm and melta bombs for inquis.
Or i could put the points into a psycannon for the terminators and use my cool psycannon model.... hmm.... tempting.


Oh and trygon is a beast.
200 points 6 wounds T 6 lots of ws 6 attacks and can deep strike, plus opens a "hole" in the ground in which other tyranids can enter play from.

Very evil, you can have 3 of those.

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Post by panzer on Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:43 pm

well if you probably fight nids i would recommend orbital strike it can help but i don't know if you will be able to swing it

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Post by Rivan on Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:35 pm

Hmmm, the deep striking trygons can be really annoying. If you can see them coming, you can fill the air with bolt rounds to make sure they have less than 6 wounds remaining before they close in.
Unless they have higher than I5, an eversor should still be able to take one down on the charge (hopefully).

One good tactic I usually use to prepare for DSing units is to keep my units close to each other. Of course the mission might dictate otherwise Very Happy

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Post by Klomster on Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:38 pm

Well, hopefully all my flaming goodness will help against the swarms.

Flamers to repell the gaunts, and twin holocausts to vanquish all weakling trying to defeat my terminator death squad.
I love my terminator death squad Razz.

I'm considering upgrading incinerator too a psycannon, mainly becouse i don't have to update another of my knights before sunday Very Happy

Oh, and orbital strike is even worse in 5th edition, it can't hit crap now.
So i'm considering never using it again. Sad really..... nah, you can't totally diss the strike, gotta love it.

Eversor will hit before the trygons initiative 4, so a cute charging eversor will make kebab out of it hopefully.
The initiative 6-7 monsters out there will be a pain, but bringing a psycannon will help here, and the psycannon bolts are nice too against the zoanthrope 3+ invurnerable save.

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Post by Hamsterjoe on Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:30 am

Actually, this might be the only occasion (apart from against) daemons where i can see a reason to bring mystics with the inquisitor.
Think about it. All those Spore pods, tygons, mawlocs and other stuff that deepstrikes, aims to land close by.

Imagine a zoantrhope deepstriking down and gets shot down by our psycannons in its own turn!

I think the Trygons have I4.
Tervigons are cool.
But i think a good thing would to include some guardsmen for a meatshield but of course, everything is expensive in our DH army, so its tough to squeze anything in there.

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