Re: Girls?

[Klomster]

WOOOW!!!

When did this thread begin speaking of aborginians?

This thread sure is popular.

[Zealadin]

What galaxy are these aborginians from?
We need more data! They could be a threat to Titan!

[Klomster]

I believe thieese humans are a certain kind of tribesmen from before the dark age of technology, from holy terra itself!

But this kind of thoughts are absurd, we need more likely data!

[Constantine]

Brothers ferrochrome669 and Zealadin, I can see your are passionate about this situation. I would like to point out however brother ferrochrome669 that no matter how much it may appear that a group of people "prefere alcoholoism and drugs" over "normal" life this is not the case. Alcoholism and addiction are considered by many to be diseases, and are usually turned to as a last resort/coping mechanism. To say it is prefered is to say that someone chooses conditions of poverty, disease, and abuse, which I know you are not saying. Also there is the influence of learned helplessness in which people who have been oppressed/discriminated against finally just give up and feel that they are powerless to make changes regardless of what they do. And this is definatly a mindframe that can be passed onto future generations creating a vicious circle. IMHO that is what these reverse discrimination programs are in place for, to help educate individuals as to the dangers of alcohol and drugs, make society as a whole aware of what it's government has done/does to perpetuate this situation, and give autonomy back to a people who had it stripped from them.

Zealadin, correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't the aboriginal peoples of ancient terra considered as floura/fauna by the government until not to long ago, and I believe it was legal to shoot them as a form of population control. You make a good point when you say that society is made up of many different diverse groups. However, by asking why "they" don't just conform to "our" ways it just further exacerbates the situation by promoting that rift. What makes our ways right? Is it because we colonized these peoples home lands and had more guns?

This is a HUGE issue, and I do not have enough knowledge surrounding the Aboriginal peoples of Austrailia's situation. I am however, very familiar with Canada's treatment of it's First Nations Peoples and it is from this knowledge that I am making my points. I appreciate that the two peoples are different as you stated, I am just attempting to point out similarities between our government's/societies approaches both historically and in the present day to these issues.


I think I have made it clear of my stance on the situation and I can understand where you are making your stance. My stance is one in which diversity is not only acknowledged but also embrased. Not everyone can/will fit into the cookie cutter ideal of the dominat societies norms, nor should they have to. As I said before I don't know enough about your countries situation to be to specific, and as you stated it is different from Canada's. I do see similarities though, and I hope you can to. We are on opposite ends of this topic, but I enjoy hearing other points of view. And what better way to reach soultions than to listen to all those involved. That being said, we don't know how the peoples we are talking about feel. And in order to address this issues effectively, all those involved will need to be heard and acknowledged.

That being said.........................

I still haven't seen any girls in my local GW store latly

[ferrochrome669]

My bad, definitely a wrong choice of word and not what I meant. I know that drugs and alcoholism is a last resort/coping mechanism. The problem got so bad in one Australian state, the government had to enforce an alcohol ban. I'm not saying the people are to blame for it, I'm just saying that the governments approach to the issue is not the right one. It hasn't worked in the past, so why should it now. And instead of an entire overhaul they just make quick little fixes that sort of solves the problem on a short term basis but not on a long term. And wether it's the right wing or left wing party, it still hasn't changed the problem.
See the problem has got so bad that people in Australia fear being un-PC. Cops had to hire Aboriginals in the force, because every time they would make a move against an aboriginal made crime (domestic violence, theft, etc...), they would be branded as racist. Now i know that this group is using this political correctness to their advantage as a survival mechanism, but on a day to day basis for me and others like me, it's a pain in the *ss and it's infuriating. And it only serves in dividing society further.
Funny, over here I think we tend to be more protective of Indian americans (or as you say 'First Nations Peoples' - is there a reason for that? PC?) as, in the American continent, people would feel more for the aboriginies. I think it might come down to glamorizing a foreign and exotic culture.
Anyway, the problem is not just restricted to the australian government and aboriginies, I have seen the same problem in France and the UK, both countries in which I have lived for many years. In Paris for example the problem was not what race you were but which suburb you came from (although it's a bit more complicated than that, and it's really too much of a big problem for me to even attempt explaining it). And in London, it didn't matter wether you were black, white, arab or whatever, I found that the government was too generous with it's benefits and created a generation of teenage single mum's who got free housing and benefits. What do you think the children of these single mums/parents are going to do with their lives when they see their mum/parents getting benefits for nothing, and their neighbours working hard and struggling to make ends meet? I think the majority would go for the easy way.
Bla... mental spew!

I just dont believe in favouritism and helping people so much that they become lazy. As the saying goes: "Help yourself and god will help you". Now I'm not religious at all, but there is a moral to this saying.... 'Get your sh*t sorted mate'. Lol

The world wont change, their are too many people, too many conflicting ideas and too many different cultures for us humans to work as one. Not too say we shouldn't try, at least that keeps things kind of stable as opposed to crashing down into Chaos... Argh! Chaos... I feel impure. Scourge me with fire brothers. Purge the sin from my soul.

Nope, no girls here... Argh! More impure thoughts. Brothers, help!

[Klomster]

Readies 2 acolyte storm troopers.

Both with holy flamers.
One in each hand.

-Cleanse him! I say.

*Burnination sounds*

-Hmmm, he's still there, ok, burn him some more!

They ready the flamers again.

[Zealadin]

I think the idea of anyone 'prefering' drug use and alchohol abuse is often a bit misrepresented, I know lots of young people from very good families who definately fall into these catagories, but consider themselves just normal youths, having fun and doing what they want.

Most of them do however work for this money, and have had to pay for very expensive health bills from the consequences which in MOST cases have lead to them being more responsible.

How will a group who gets paid to do nothing, and then spends it all on alchohol and drugs ever learn not to do this when all their health expenses are in turn covered by the government.
Its defiantely a social and cultural issue.
I mean one of the major issues with said group right now, (as a proven fact based on research by the government) is that the money paid to the families (in general), sometimes with many children is not going to feed the children, it is going straight onto alchohol and drugs. These children grow up on a similar level as children in Africa who do not have clean water, reliable food or an education.
The one difference is that their families do have access to all these things, but they chose to spend it on drugs on alchohol, and even more amazingly the government pays them more for each child, meaning these people know they can have more children and get more money, not for their families, but for their habits.

Aboriginal's where not considered 'normal people' the same as indians where not in america, or people of african ascent for a long period.

A very contraversial view here is that aboriginals need to be basically forced into joining maintstream society (much like was attempted with the 'stolen generation') in order for them ever to do so.
They are currently represented as the highest group of unemployed in australia, they have the highest crime rate (even with special laws that generally let them off), they have huge issues with child abuse, and have the highest percentage of any group living below the poverty line.

They are also receiving a very very large amount of support compared to any other group, and have been doing so for quite some time, and have made little to no progress.

There is one major issue with saying "its because they where discriminated against" its just not an excuse, (yes an excuse not a reason) which can ever lead to a proper solution.
Most people struggle very very hard to lead a normal life, especially in the current world, and when it comes down to it they have to find their own beleif in themselves and their family and society to keep going, and to make their life what they want it.
These people never get a reward they haven't earned, they never get support for what they do, or become a hero for acheiving something above normal, or even just normal, and they pay their taxes for those benefits to go to people who do literally just waste them.

The real discrimination going on against them at this time is not from outside sources, its them basically descriminating against themselves in order to continue the lives they lead, and whats really really sad is they are teaching the newer generations to continue the cycle, instead of encouraging them to aspire higher.

For example... in the last year or so a group of aboriginal males where brought before court for raping a 11 or 12 year old girl (also aboriginal) the court(or more specifically the judge) let them off because they are aboriginal (they receive special sentencing in alot of states).
This girl was mentally disadvantaged.
A short period later all the SAME group where in court once again for gang raping the girl again, and they where once again let off.

The judge was brought before public scrutiny for this, and you know what she said? Aboriginals have been discriminated against, and I'm fully behind the movement to support them, I don't beleive in sending them to jail because it doesn't fix the problem and can lead to suicide.

I think its a common fact that rapists and pedophiles are basically always repeat offenders, but they are not just let off to go straight back and reoffend.
Its just morally incomprehensible for this to be allowed.

I'm not really passionate about the subject, I'm more passionate about the morals and reasoning behind this issue.

I agree not everyone can or will fit into the normal mould of society, but you definately can't say our society doesn't allow for that... the problem is the people from all groups who are starting to realise that they can live off the hard work of everyone else by taking advantage of a system meant to help them, and have the best of both worlds, they aren't trying to just be themselves, or live how they want, they are simply taking the easiest option which involves the least work.
Personally I would rather see no help for anyone so that this cannot happen, and in doing so probably see people who should be receiving the help and support go under, than see a ever increasing cycle of people moving towards this trend, which in the end will destroy our society.

No ones willing to make hard choices anymore, especially not the politically 'incorrect' ones, and really when it comes down to it those are the decision which shape the world, our society and culture, and if they aren't made we are steadily heading backwards towards the times such as Hitler being in charge, or the Communists.

[Klomster]

Woow, that is some deep stuff (and completely off topic, but so am i)

That stuff about taxes going directly to the drug corrupted parents of many children can't be the average, it should be a minority (otherwise, it's pretty screwed)

In sweden we have alot of systems and tax-fueled money-packs (don't know word) for people without work, with children etc. etc.

I understand that some people are taking advantage of the system and don't do anything except getting money for free.

But here i don't think its that big of a problem, but i don't know about australia, and i certanly didn't know that about aborginians.

Why not 1) start a new thread for this 2) Just stop it.

[Ecideus]

I know of girls that like painting and looking at their models and stuff like that, but i don't think that they are as passionate about the game itself as us

[MJSwasey]

Locally we have a female Grey knight player, Orc player, and dark eldar that are regulars.

[Rivan]

Wow. I've never even met or seen a female W40K player

[Klomster]

i've seen a few warhammer ones.

perhaps a 40k, but not that i remeber it.

[Zealadin]

Theres a local female Nid collecter, she has a winged army and has done an amazing job on them

[For the Emperor]

I know two girls at our store, they both collect sisters of battle and one likes vampires.
Ohyeah and one of them has a pink exorcist that looks like something that a barbie might ride inside!

They both don't seem dragged into it by their bf's but seem to enjoy it.

[Nausaden]

Girls? Hah, I see some cut ones walking by the store from time to time but its a rare occasion any of them actually step foot in the store. Especially when they realize "Gamesworkshop" is not about video games.