Nausaden's 1000 -1500 Pure GK List

I've mulled about for a bit, and figured I'd finally post my two lists up and see what my Brothers think! I think I need to mix it up, drop some units in some squads, lengthen others, etc. mess with wargear. I'll let the experts here assist me, if you would please

Grey Knight Strike Force

1000 Points

Grey Knight Hero

Grandmaster Nero w/Icon of the Just
170 Points

Retinue: 4 Grey Knight Terminators w/Incinerator
199 Points

Total: 369

Troops


Squad Naus

Justicar Naus w/Melta Bombs/Targeter
4 PAGK
2 Incinerators

Total: 226


Squad Lucero

Justicar Lucero w/Melta Bombs/Targeter
4 PAGK
2 Psycannons

Total: 256



Heavy Support

Grey Knight Dreadnought "Arbiter"

w/ CCW+Incinerator+Twin Linked Lascannon

Total: 145

Total: 996




Grey Knight Strike Force

1500 Pts

Grey Knight Hero

Grandmaster Nero w/Icon of the Just, Holy Relic, Master-crafted weapon
Psychic Powers: Holocaust
235 Points

Retinue: 4 Grey Knight Terminators w/Incinerator
199 Points

Total: 369

Troops


Squad Naus

Justicar Naus w/Melta Bombs/Targeter
4 PAGK
2 Incinerators

Total: 226


Squad Lucero

Justicar Lucero w/Melta Bombs/Targeter
4 PAGK
2 Psycannons

Total: 256



Heavy Support

Grey Knight Dreadnought "Arbiter"

w/ CCW+Incinerator+Twin Linked Lascannon

Total: 145

Grey Knight Dreadnought "Rapture "

w/Missile Launcher+Twin Linked Lascannon +Hunter Killer Missile

Total: 185

Grey Knight Land Raider "Sanctuary"

Total: 250

Total: 1496

Well there you have it folks; all comments and critique are appreciated! You'll note that I added the wargear my GM would take under certain circumstances, which means of course I'd have to drop other things etc. etc.

The thing that struck me first when i looked at both lists was the lack of models/scoring units on the table. For objective-based games i think 2 5 man squads of grey knights are just too fragile.

In the 1000 points list i would definly consider swapping the terminators for another squad of grey knights. Not only will this give you more models on the table but also more scoring units which will definly help in objective-based games.
I
dont have that much experience in 1500 point games but i dont think you will need the 2 dreadnoughts AND a Land raider. Feel free to disagree but in a 1500 point game i dont think you will need that much anti tank power.

Just my opinions

brother Acolyte is right :
the 2/3 of the scenarii are taking and/or keeping objectives so you need the more troops that you can get and a GM of 1/4 of your 1000 points for me it is too much
another remark : be careful with the use of psychic powers with your GM : if you use a power (for ex Holocaust) you won't be able to use your NFW like the force weapon because it's considered to be a use of psychic power
Aubec

*Nods* I agree with both of you Brothers; the sink in points for those Terminators is rather extreme.

However, they prove to be some of the only units who can take the fight against some of the terrors that show themselves. I can't imagine dropping the GM's squad, as they really provide the spearhead, and in many games I've had them cleanse through many squads of Chaos Space marines and the like in their zeal.

As for psychic powers, I had completely forgotten that Holocaust would mean I couldn't use the NFW! Since it occurs at the end of the assault, I tend to use it when I am not in an assault but have just deepstriked/etc. Perhaps I will exchange it for Holocaust; provide that extra ability to dispose of Dreads and the like.

Hmm, I do feel that there are just too few models. In the 1500 point list I must admit that I was just enjoying slapping in two Dreads; Brother Bjoern inspired me to try to use more of them. Still, maybe I could take one out and instead get another squad of Grey Knights.

Edit* I calculated that I could have another pure 7 man squad of Grey Knights if I did not take the 4 GKT with my Grandmaster. It's rather tempting, but I love having the GM, and without a retinue he's depressingly easy to kill thanks to all the Str 8 weapons about. It's a tough choice; I think I need to figure out a way to cut down my two 7 man squads, namely the psycannon one as it will be hanging in buildings or cover most of the time.

i love the GM too and I can't imagine going at war without him even if i admit his huge cost
so do what you want and play the game as you want.
Aubec

I also the love the Grandmaster, to me he is very symbolic of a grey knights force and he is one of the reasons i started collecting grey knights.

But just by adding a psycannon and icon of the just he is already 200 points which is a fifth of your points in a 1000 point game. It seems like alot since he can be killed with 1 s8 hit. To me the only way to properly field a Grandmaster is with a retinue so he cant be instantly killed, but in a 1000 point game that unit is just to pricey.

I would consider changing the Grandmaster for a Brother Captain, that way you can still use dreadnoughts and Land raiders. You could maybe give the Brother Captain a psycannon and have him stay back with the 5 man squad with psycannons.

This would also free up around 80 points which can be used to beef out your grey knight squads.

*Nods* I see your point Acolyte; it's tough but perhaps I will try to run a BC or even Stern. To be honest, I haven't had a game were I have used a BC...1 wound is just such a bloody joke, especially for a Grey Knight Hero. I think that's the main reason I don't field him, and the Grandmaster is, as you said, symbolic.

I figure it would be wise to have a few friendly games testing out a BC, and enjoying all the goodies his low point cost allows me to field. Terminators are pretty much the core force of pure GK infantry, and are invaluable. I should start experimenting with differing troop sizes.