1000 points trial list please help
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Hmm thanks for pointing that out MJS i had no idea.
I still like the idea of the evorsor infiltrating in maybe first turn he could hide behind cover and then move in for an assualt next turn.
This might have an unexpected benefit because if i move the evorsor close to a squad but behind cover, if they expect he will be able to assualt next turn they will probably move to get away and since the evorsor will mainly be targeting squads with heavy weapons such as devorstators it will prevent them from firing.
EDIT: Updated List in First post
I still like the idea of the evorsor infiltrating in maybe first turn he could hide behind cover and then move in for an assualt next turn.
This might have an unexpected benefit because if i move the evorsor close to a squad but behind cover, if they expect he will be able to assualt next turn they will probably move to get away and since the evorsor will mainly be targeting squads with heavy weapons such as devorstators it will prevent them from firing.
EDIT: Updated List in First post

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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Looks good, one thing though, inquisitors and inquisitor lords by default have no equipment. Remove the auspex and give him a bolter (1pt see errata), storm bolter or some ranged weapon, you can then attach him to the sisters of battle squad.
I will say it: I think the auspex is pretty useless (not in DoW however
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I will say it: I think the auspex is pretty useless (not in DoW however
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
most brothers have said the essential :
- If you want infiltrate your assassin well use the best infiltrator ; the callidus
- you have 1 10-squad and 1 5-squad i think your squads will survive longer if you take 1 7-squad and 1 8-squad which is possible with the DH codex.
- The GM is expensive but worth it so i'll keep it too
Have fun with your list and tell us what will be the battle result
Aubec
- If you want infiltrate your assassin well use the best infiltrator ; the callidus
- you have 1 10-squad and 1 5-squad i think your squads will survive longer if you take 1 7-squad and 1 8-squad which is possible with the DH codex.
- The GM is expensive but worth it so i'll keep it too
Have fun with your list and tell us what will be the battle result
Aubec
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Thanks for your replies.
Your right a bolter would probably do more than the auspex.
Aubec i chose the evorsor because he will mainly be targeting squads such as devorstator squads and IMO the callidus is more of a Charactor killer.
The 10 man squad of of Gk are more of an attacking squad and they will be trying to get close to the enemy and maybe assualt squads. The 5 man squad will more than likely just stay back holding an objective.
Since the 10 man squad will be trying to move fast they will be in not much if any cover, in contrast the 5 man squad will try to be in the best cover they can get.
Since the 5 man squad will be staying at around 33-36 inches from the enemy they will benefit from shrouding more than the 10 man squad.
So i dont think the 5 man squad will be at that much of a disadvantage.
Since the Grandmaster does not have a retinue i believe the grandmaster could die pretty easily from a hidden powerfist even if i do join him to a squad.
Your right a bolter would probably do more than the auspex.
Aubec i chose the evorsor because he will mainly be targeting squads such as devorstator squads and IMO the callidus is more of a Charactor killer.
The 10 man squad of of Gk are more of an attacking squad and they will be trying to get close to the enemy and maybe assualt squads. The 5 man squad will more than likely just stay back holding an objective.
Since the 10 man squad will be trying to move fast they will be in not much if any cover, in contrast the 5 man squad will try to be in the best cover they can get.
Since the 5 man squad will be staying at around 33-36 inches from the enemy they will benefit from shrouding more than the 10 man squad.
So i dont think the 5 man squad will be at that much of a disadvantage.
Since the Grandmaster does not have a retinue i believe the grandmaster could die pretty easily from a hidden powerfist even if i do join him to a squad.

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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
You are right, alcolyte. Our HQ's benefit heavily from the retinue rule, otherwise they get s8 flying at them whenever the enemy can muster it.
I really like your list because of the Huge variety. I think it will perform really well with all the options you have, but regardless of performance your going to learn alot about how all these different units interact and next time have a MUCH better idea of what options you have then someone who never takes a 5 man or 10 man squad, or assassians, etc.
I really like your list because of the Huge variety. I think it will perform really well with all the options you have, but regardless of performance your going to learn alot about how all these different units interact and next time have a MUCH better idea of what options you have then someone who never takes a 5 man or 10 man squad, or assassians, etc.
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Thanks MJS for that.
Yes i really tried hard to diversify with this list and i think i did a good job.
Yes after my first game with this list it will definly help my understanding alot.
I was wondering should i maybe swap the squad of sisters and the rhino for a psycannon for the inquistor and a retinue of 3 heavy bolter servitors and a dreadnought with a twin linked heavy bolter or a plasma cannon?
Yes i really tried hard to diversify with this list and i think i did a good job.
Yes after my first game with this list it will definly help my understanding alot.
I was wondering should i maybe swap the squad of sisters and the rhino for a psycannon for the inquistor and a retinue of 3 heavy bolter servitors and a dreadnought with a twin linked heavy bolter or a plasma cannon?

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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
The flipside of all this constructive discussion and list building is that you can overthink things, and spend more time on your list then playing. Is your list the best possible? no Could you spend hours making minor tweaks? yeah. Will it make any noticeable difference in the fun you have? probably not. is your list at a pretty good level? yeah.
Personally i like the list as is. Please do keep changing things until your hearts content, just don't spend too much time overthinking a list. Its something i still struggle with, trying to squeeze out the last drops of optimiziton
Personally i like the list as is. Please do keep changing things until your hearts content, just don't spend too much time overthinking a list. Its something i still struggle with, trying to squeeze out the last drops of optimiziton
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
+1 with brother MJS
the real test is the battles
play what you like/want to play what you enjoy playing and after the firts battles you'll have a better idea of the forces and weaknesses of the army you like to play and then make some shifts
Aubec
the real test is the battles
play what you like/want to play what you enjoy playing and after the firts battles you'll have a better idea of the forces and weaknesses of the army you like to play and then make some shifts
Aubec
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Good point MJS.
Well hopefully i will be having a game this Sunday so i might be able to see how the list runs and then after that make changes if nessasary.
Well hopefully i will be having a game this Sunday so i might be able to see how the list runs and then after that make changes if nessasary.

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and please give us a report !
Aubec
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Thanks Aubec.
For the upcoming game i think i will use a variant of the list in the first post. This list in fact:
Brother Captain
-psycannon, (91)
Grey Knight Squad
-Justicar, 9 grey knights, incinerator (295)
Grey Knight Squad
-Justicar, 4 grey knights, 2 psycannons, auspex, targeter (202)
Grey Knight Dreadnought
-Twin Linked Lascannon, extra armour. smoke launchers (138)
Inquistor
-Psycannon, targetor, auspex
-Retinue: 2 heavy bolter servitors, 1 plasma cannon servitor, 2 mystics, 2 sages (175)
Evorsor Assassin (95)
996 Points
The changes made are: swapping sisters of battle for inquistor and retintue and adding incinerator to 10 man squad.
EDIT: Updated first post with this list
For the upcoming game i think i will use a variant of the list in the first post. This list in fact:
Brother Captain
-psycannon, (91)
Grey Knight Squad
-Justicar, 9 grey knights, incinerator (295)
Grey Knight Squad
-Justicar, 4 grey knights, 2 psycannons, auspex, targeter (202)
Grey Knight Dreadnought
-Twin Linked Lascannon, extra armour. smoke launchers (138)
Inquistor
-Psycannon, targetor, auspex
-Retinue: 2 heavy bolter servitors, 1 plasma cannon servitor, 2 mystics, 2 sages (175)
Evorsor Assassin (95)
996 Points
The changes made are: swapping sisters of battle for inquistor and retintue and adding incinerator to 10 man squad.
EDIT: Updated first post with this list
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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
I like that list
have fun playing the battle
by the way which army do you fight against ??
Aubec
have fun playing the battle
by the way which army do you fight against ??
Aubec

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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Thanks, well i normally play against either a fire warrior heavy tau army, a scout heavy space marine army or a sisters of battle army. Or sometimes a imperial guard army.
Do you think the list with the shooty inquistor is better than the list with the sisters in it?
Do you think the list with the shooty inquistor is better than the list with the sisters in it?

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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
well you'll have to play it to find that !
but with the 2 mystics and if your adversary have a lot deep strinking (cause the mystics are here only for that matter) yes i think so.... we'll see
Aubec
but with the 2 mystics and if your adversary have a lot deep strinking (cause the mystics are here only for that matter) yes i think so.... we'll see
Aubec

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Re: 1000 points trial list please help
Ok battle report time!
I vsed a space marine player who had a tooled up chapter master with honour guard, a vindictor tank, 20 tactical marines and a devorstator squad. It was an objective game.
The Inquistor and his retinue did not get to do much in the game because my opponent used line of sight well.
I deployed the Dreadnought very badly and it lost both of its arms in the first turn from the devorstators. But it still held of a 10 man squad of marines from getting an objective by assualting them.
The 5 man squad of grey knights i think i could have deployed better so they could have had more line of sight.
The 10 man did excellent by destroying the vindicator and the Chapter master, and in the end holding an objective.
In the end i won by one objective though it was very close.
The list worked well but i think it could have done alot better if i deployed better. (we only had a short amount of time for the game so it was pretty rushed, so hopefully next time i will have more time to plan deployment.)
I vsed a space marine player who had a tooled up chapter master with honour guard, a vindictor tank, 20 tactical marines and a devorstator squad. It was an objective game.
The Inquistor and his retinue did not get to do much in the game because my opponent used line of sight well.
I deployed the Dreadnought very badly and it lost both of its arms in the first turn from the devorstators. But it still held of a 10 man squad of marines from getting an objective by assualting them.
The 5 man squad of grey knights i think i could have deployed better so they could have had more line of sight.
The 10 man did excellent by destroying the vindicator and the Chapter master, and in the end holding an objective.
In the end i won by one objective though it was very close.
The list worked well but i think it could have done alot better if i deployed better. (we only had a short amount of time for the game so it was pretty rushed, so hopefully next time i will have more time to plan deployment.)

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